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Kevin_Thomas
01-07-2007, 05:37 PM
I'm in the market for a new 4wt rod. I want it to be a 4 piece and 8-9 ft long. I prefer a slow to medium flex. I would like to stay under $250.

Please advise any rod that meets this criteria... Then I'll go try them out!

Thanks in advance!
Kevin

tennswede
01-07-2007, 06:53 PM
Too bad St Croix quit making Premier. I own one 9ft 2 pc 4wt and 1 9ft 4 pc 5wt. I think their Reign and possibly the new Triump Series uses similar IM6 low 30's modulus, which is what you want to be on the slow side.

Slow action rods are not easy to find anymore. LRO should be able to show you some Orvis, I don't own any Orvis but I think the superfines are on the slow side.

tennswede
01-07-2007, 06:56 PM
Kevin,

I forgot to mention Sage. I know most Sage to be a little fast but go to LRO and try the Launch Series. It's at $200 and US made to boot.

Kevin_Thomas
01-07-2007, 10:14 PM
Thanks Hans, I'll check them out!

buckeyetrouter
01-07-2007, 10:16 PM
Hey Kevin.......do you want those glass bead head green weenies with or without lead wrap for weight.......

buckeyetrouter

Kevin_Thomas
01-07-2007, 11:18 PM
I fish green weenies as a dropper under a #14 Yellow Stim or Parachute Adams. I would like it heavy enough to get down, but not so heavy as to drown the dry. I give this information, not because I'm picky, but I'm not real sure which would work best for my style. You make the call! Thanks again!

Fishermansfly
01-07-2007, 11:28 PM
Have u fished Plateua's St. Croix? U wet a line with him haven't U? Not sure now, anyhow dad just picked up a 7'9" St. Croix Avid, seems to really like it, he landed a 11" on it today at the SOHO! LRO sells the Legend Ultra 9' 4wt for around three hundred i think! A nice rod according to Platau, his is a 3wt though! It's high modules generation 4 so it's a fast action rod! I'd strongly reccomend the Orvis super fines awesome slow action wide loops and pinpoint soft presentation! A little more money though! The TFO signiture series aren't bad either. :-/ :-/

Happy hunting!
Fishermansfly

Kevin_Thomas
01-07-2007, 11:45 PM
I didn't fish with PA's St Croix, but I did check the flex on it and I loved it! *I think it's a Legacy or Legend series, or something like that. *Can't imagine that rod is Fast action, probably medium. *Which is more than likely what I will go with. *Most stuff is Med to Med/Fast. *If I can find a good Medium, I'll probably go with that. *I just like to feel the line load on the rod.

David Knapp
01-08-2007, 01:27 AM
I'll second (or third) the Superfines although they remade the entire line of rods and I've heard mixed reviews of the newer ones. If you want a SWEET dry fly rod that is soft, try to get your hands on one of the older model Superfines. Also, that rod of mine was the Legend Ultra... Walter Babb recommended the St. Croix Avid series to me when I was thinking about upgrading and it runs a little less than the Legend Ultra price-wise and is supposed to be a bit slower...

Gerry Romer
01-08-2007, 02:27 AM
I'm currently fishing a 7'9" St. Croix Avid 3 wt. that I picked up at LRO last week and it is fantastic! I fished it in the mountains last week and it's got a great touch for those tight spots. I fished it today in some pretty strong winds on the SOHO and it did remarkably well. I know what you mean by wanting to feel it load and I was very impressed by the feel of it loading in the wind today. If you've got the time, go see Daniel and cast an Avid side-by-side with a TFO and a Trout Bum. If you don't want to go up to the Trout Bum price tag, one of those two will do nicely for you.

Gerry Romer

Kevin_Thomas
01-08-2007, 09:12 AM
Thanks Gerry, I have a TFO 3wt and I really enjoy it. *The St Croix Avid keeps coming up, so I'm definitely going to give it a try. *I must say I liked PA's St Croix a bit better than my TFO.

PA - LRO just had a closeout on older model Orvis rods, so I may have missed my opportunity... I'll keep my eyes open though, you never know.

Thanks guys!
Kevin

buckeyetrouter
01-08-2007, 10:18 AM
Hey Kevin.......

have you thought about building your own rod? You can save alot of $ or allow you to upgrade substantially due to the cost savings.......You can even get kits from Sage or St Croix....it really isn't that difficult...

Byron.......would you guys have rod building kits available at any time in the future......I shure would rather buy a kit from LRO than the other sites........

buckeyetrouter

Fishermansfly
01-08-2007, 11:26 AM
I've brought that question up already to Paula! I believe she said that they had tried this in the past and didn't have quite the market for it. Who knows though with the online store! They may give it another go. However that being said she did mention that they could order blanks and reel seats from thier manufactures that being; Sage, Winston, TFO, St. Croix, and Scott so keep that in mind. I'm not positive on reel seats but I think they can order from Pacific bay, I think I'm wrong on that but they can order reel seats guides and grips from somewhere!

However I second what Buckeye said, you can get the rod of your dreams for a little more than half of what you would pay for a manufactured rod and build it the exact way you wanted it....Something I read by a new rod builder was the fact that after he started his first rod build he noticed that the manufactured rods have alot of sloppy work to them! Mainly with thread wraps and the flex coat a top the wraps! I've noticed this as well! However there are some rod making companies out there Winston, Scott, and Orvis who seem to take alot of pride in assembling thier blanks. Non of which I think would play to any effect on the rod, but something you wouldn't normally notice in an expensive investment!

Fishermansfly

Kevin_Thomas
01-08-2007, 06:57 PM
I can certainly understand how building your own rod would be very rewarding, but I don't think it's for me. *Maybe later in life when I have more time. *I really appreciate all the ideas though. *I'm very interested in trying the St Croix. *I'll know within a few seconds when I try it if I like it or not. *

Thanks and keep the ideas coming, I may buy the rod in Febuary.

Troutman
01-10-2007, 10:51 AM
I would definitely suggest upgrading to the St. Croix Legend Ultra. I bought a 9ft 3wt several years ago and it is my favorite rod. I overline it with a DT 4wt line to load the rod a little quicker and the length makes for a perfect nymphing rod. It will also throw a dry out to 60ft. I have caught 6" specks up to 5lb Largemouths with this rod so it is very strong for a 3wt.
St. Croix rods are American made and have a good warranty. I slipped off a boulder a few years ago on the W. Prong and crushed the rod above the handle. I shipped it back to them and they sent me a new rod back. I also fish an Orvis Superfine 4wt in the Mtns. but when heading to bigger water like a tailwater, I usually reach for the LU. My next rod will be the 10ft 6wt Legend Ultra hopefully before Smallie season gets good. Send me a PM if you want to meet up a the "Y"and cast it before you make your decision. *
* * * * * * * * Gary

Kevin_Thomas
01-10-2007, 10:26 PM
I really appreciate that! I'll probably go to LRO this weekend and try it out. I'm gonna try to go by and meet a few guys in the Fly class. I'll let know how that turns out... Thanks again!