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Giantfish
01-23-2007, 08:44 PM
I hear way back when they used corn and marshmellows to fish! TN is still doing it. I belive it is cheating and wanted to know what you guys remember and what you though. I say they just want a fish so they skip the fun part! the challenge is the best. If it is to easy it is not fun! I know some of you guys remember that and did you ever get into it?
Giantfish

ChemEAngler
01-23-2007, 10:03 PM
I did for a few years when I was really young (9 - 13). Then my next door neighbor, an elderly man, introduced me to fly tying. Yes, I learned to tie flys before I even knew how to fly fish. Then one day, I thought to myself, I really should learn how to fish with these little things I am creating by the dozen ( I used to tie for a local tackle shop). Once I picked up a fly rod, I haven't been able to put one down. Since then, I have introduced probably half a dozen people to fly fishing, and they have all gotten hooked as well. Now if I can just find a way to count fly fishing trips as a business expense, I will be set. ;)

Travis

mmorgan135
01-24-2007, 09:00 PM
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Ok I just wanted to get something off my chest since you brought this up...My dad taught me how to fish the same way that his grandfather had taught him, with corn. I can remember my dad taking me up to Tellico, I wasnt old enough to handle the current of the Hiwassee, and taking all day to teach me how to fish with a spinning rod. Eventually I learned how to fish on my own and didnt need my dad standing behind me to show me how it was done.
After I was old enough to drive, I fished alot. Especially since wrestling in high school took up most of my summer and all of the fall and winter so deer hunting was out, so I fished as much as I could in the spring and early summer. I caught alot of fish on corn. Sometimes I would catch more than other people I saw fly fishing, and others I would get skunked. While I would be fishing I would notice other fisherman flyfishing around me and thought about how fun it looked, but because I didnt know anyone that flyfished, I never really gave it much of interest.
But that leads me to my point. I am a very courteous person and usually always speak to anyone that I meet on the water and always enjoy a conversation. But I started to notice that sometimes when I would walk up to a flyfisherman, and I was holding a spinning rod in my hand, that I would kind of get a cold shoulder and just seem that I wasnt good enough to be out on the same river with them. They seemed to have the attitude that Giantfish just mention, "I belive it is cheating" "I say they just want a fish so they skip the fun part! the challenge is the best. If it is to easy it is not fun" I do not believe that is a fair statement. Gaintfish, you have been blessed with a father that has taken the time to show you his passion and obviously you have shared in it as well, but should I be labeled a cheater because my dad taught me what he knows.
I eventually picked up a fly rod once I was able to purchase my own equipment and have been doing it ever since. I enjoy it so much, but every once in awhile I want to take my spinning rod out and play with it some. I just feel that sometimes flyfishermen catch a bad rap from other people because of the attitude that Gaintfish just mentioned. I thought that the whole point of this sport was to enjoy the outdoors and friendships that you made, not criticise for the means at which they go about.



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Gaintfish this is not directed to you in anyway ;)

ChemEAngler
01-24-2007, 10:46 PM
mmorgan,
I do have to tell you that I have friends who do not flyfish, and they have told me about similar circumstances. But, just to be honest with you, I have even walked up to other flyfishermen with my fly rod in hand just to have them turn their back on me. I am young, and I look even younger than I really am, and I always thought that had something to do with it. One thing that I have had people say to me regarding fly fishermen is that they believe we are snooty because lets face it, there is not much of a market for the low income flyfisherman. People can go buy a good quality spinning outfit perfect for trout for $60 - 70 including line. You are lucky if you can buy one spool of fly line for $60. I know quite a few flyfishermen who have over $700 in just one fly outfit. Would it be nice to have a rod like that, sure, and I am not criticizing anyone who has a setup like this or even multiple outfits like this. However, do I need an outfit like that, more than likely not. My dad and brother spin fish, and often use live bait or corn when trout fishing. I stand right there with them because I cherish my time on the water, and if that time is spent with family or friends it is just that much more precious. Our waters are growing ever more populated, and finding quality fishing spots that are not crowded is almost impossible. Spending that time being frustrated about the bait fisherman just downstream or across the river from you, is not my idea of a good time.

I hope I haven't stepped on anyone's toes.

Travis

DryFly1
01-25-2007, 12:23 AM
For a fisherman to have an ego goes against the very nature of the sport. This is not the NFL, NBA or pro hocky league. The rivers and streams beckon us with their call and quinch us with their beauty and bounty equally. Slick advertisements do strange things to men! I'll take a humble man/woman with a cheap rod and reel,can of worms and the unadultarated love of nature anyday over the slickest dude with "all the get up" and pompus attitude! I have both cheap gear and expensive gear and that just makes me another Fly Fisherman. Nothing more, nothing less. A fisherman is a fisherman. What makes the difference is how we conduct ourselves. By this I mean, streamside etiquette.

You want to see what it's all about? Get a can of worms and take a young child fishing for the day. That smile from ear to ear on his or her face when they have a dangling worm between their little fingers is priceless and defines the very essence of fishing. I think we can all relate to this in some fashion from childhood, whether we used worms, crickets or corn.

If I see you on the stream expect a wave and a howdy. If you don't speak back, well, you just don't hear the river yet.

DryFly1

nailman_83
01-25-2007, 09:20 AM
I could care less what you use to catch fish. I dont go flyfishing to catch fish, its just an added bonus. The thing that I do have a problem with is when a see someone with a stringer full of fish that are 6" long. Thats not even a meal! I will say though that I have never seen a flyfisherman do this. The only time I will even keep fish is if its on a winter stocking river in which the fish will most likely die anyways.

Grumpy
01-25-2007, 09:23 AM
I taught my kids to fish that way, i'd use smaller hooks on account of the fish wanting to swallow the "bait rigs", as long as they were hooked properly, they were released, if they were hooked deeply, they wee kept & cooked.
It kept the kids on their toes, once a limit was met, they knew they were done, then they graduated to spinners & lures, got to fish a little longer that way, now they're flinging flies when they do decide to spend a day with me.
I have met a lot of conservationist using "hardware" over the years & met a few FF'man that gave us or anyone a bad name.
If it get's a kid started in the right direction, i'm for it, i won't always be here to help preach or save our fisheries & as the Lord knows, they were put here to eat in the first place.
BTW, Tennessee isn't the only place this is done :o

ijsouth
01-25-2007, 09:44 AM
There's no stigma against bait fishing around here...especially in the warmer months, I think the majority use live bait - mostly live shrimp. My only problem with that is personal; I don't have the patience to be a good bait fisherman, live shrimp are so fragile (you better have a good aerator in your livewell, or they'll croak in less than a minute), plus at 20 cents a shot, they get expensive. I also have a problem putting a perfectly good shrimp on a hook, when it should be rolling in cormeal and fried. ;)

geerona
01-25-2007, 12:50 PM
Hey Giantfish,

Looks like you opened a real can of "corn", oops, I meant worms! HAHAHAHA!!

I'll bet a lot of us started out with live bait or corn or marshmellows or salmon eggs. I guess I fall into the live and let live category. If it isn't illegal don't worry about it. Just don't take more than you need because you can and treat a fellow fisherman as you would like to be treated. The joy is in the journey when it comes to fly fishing.

Grumpy is right on the money when he said to take a kid fishing and use whatever it takes to get them interested. I'll vote for that!

Regards to all, gary <*))))><

kylemc
01-25-2007, 01:09 PM
If it's legal,knock yourself out and have fun doing it. :)

I stick with the long rod but that's just my preferance.I know and fish with alot of hardware guys.

Fishermansfly
01-25-2007, 09:43 PM
I would say it's not the fact of people fishing with their can-o-worms it's the matter in which some do it. My dad will speak up I'm sure of it. One beautifull day while fishing at the clinch close to the **** I was tying on a fly minding my own business when I hear PLOP, PLOP, PLOP Before I hear the next PLOP I actually see it hit the water less than 10 feet from me as the spin fisherman yells from the landing, where the stairs desend from the woods, hows the fishing...Mumble to self, better before you showed up... Just plain rude i thought to myself...As I try and make my way away from his newly aquired fishing hole, I watch him bring in about 20 good trout as he reels them out of the water onto the rocks, plays with them for about two minutes and creels non of them, throughing the lifeless fish to float downstream....UGHHH....Totally disgusted at this point! He proceeds to ask my brother in law if he wants to give his worms a go....Since he had been watching us not catching anything. Then he proceeds to have a 50 yard long conversation mostly with himself laughing about how his worms are basically kicking our but and how we should hand the flys and try a worm....Ohhhh just shut up already i'm saying to myself! So, basically in short our last hour and a half of fishing was spoiled by a guy with a can of worms.

So, by no means am I in any way saying that fishing with a can of worms is wrong or any less of a sport. I'm just saying whether you are fishing with a fly rod or spinning rod be mindfull of your surroundings. More importantly which ever way you choose to fish, while your fishing, don't make fun of those that aren't doing so well. If your in a spot and your catching lots of fish retire the spot for some one else....unless that is there is no one else on the water...Most importantly of all if you catch a fish, do so. Don't play it to death and don't play with it unless you intend on keeping your catch.

My 2 cents!
Fishermansfly

Kingstonian
01-26-2007, 12:00 PM
When I get that kind of stuff (although rarely to that extreme), I just tell them I've caught my share on live bait and don't think that's much of a challenge, since any five year old can catch fish on worms. *Call me elitist if you must. *I still spin fish for trout at times, usually on high water, but even then I choose not to use live bait.

It's about the process of fishing, not just harvesting numbers of fish. *I like to catch them on my terms, accepting that my terms are clearly more restrictive than theirs. *Since we accept the limitations of the sport, lets embrace them and not get defensive when others think we are crazy.

ttas67
01-26-2007, 11:34 PM
I spin fished all my life, until the first time I touched a fly rod. I had a lot of fun doing it too. now if I pick up a spin rod, it just feels foreign in my hand. like a lifeless stick. but fishing is really about having a good time, and however you catch them is fine. when I was a child, my father and I fished beaver creek in north knoxville all the time. for those of you unfamiliar with this creek, it's not a trout stream. just your semi muddy creek with a ton of bluegills. but we would often cut down our own cane from the banks of the stream, and dig our own worms, or catch grass hoppers or crickets if we could. there is something very pure about fishing this way, using the materials from the environment. when I think back about it all, those days were just magical. I love fly fishing as much as anyone could, but I'd trade it all to be 8 years old again sitting on the bank of beaver creek on a summer day fishing with my dad. If I ever have a son, before he learns to fly fish, he'll learn how to dig for worms.

kriscad
01-27-2007, 12:26 AM
It reminds me of Harley Riders... when I had my bike, you just never really felt good about waving at someone riding a rice rocket lol

I admit, the only time I get a little ticked is when I see an adult spinning with corn and keeping the fish... but each is to his/her own. Now if they are light tackle fishing and don't keep the fish, then i'll give them good karma points lol

Vern
01-30-2007, 02:47 PM
OK Gaintfish Iam going to tell on you. I started Gaintfish out like everyone else Salmon eggs, power bait and red worms. The reason he finaly picked up a flyrod the first time was that his dear old moan started fishing instead of fixing his bird nest getting thios snags out and taking his fish off the hook. When that happened the old man stared skunking him. Of course it was because I was using a fly rod not a spinning rod (which he allways uses my ultralite instead of his). So i picked up his spining rod and handed him my fly rod. I proceeded to catch 3 rainbow on the same rig he had. ;D But that started the ball rolling now he is additced, still to catch his first fish on a flyrod, but that will happen soon. I personaly have never used corn, allways heard as a kid in WV that trout can't digest it and it kills them, I don't know if this is true or not. But have caught more than my fair share on red worms.

DryFly1
01-30-2007, 02:53 PM
Vern,

I hope his first fish is a 17", no 20" brown on a dry fly. That would make for some huge message board commentary.

DryFly1

Giantfish
01-30-2007, 09:53 PM
Oh don't worry my first one will beat my dad's highest record and will be world famous! ;D ok a little exageration but I will get a big one!

Gerry Romer
02-02-2007, 12:44 AM
The thing that bothers me about bait fishermen vs. fly fishermen it the difference in streamside debris -- litter. Aside from the occasional leader and tippet material, I just don't see much litter deposited by fly fishermen. But every tailwater I've been on is always loaded with those little glass salmon egg bottles and little corn tin cans and styrofoam worm cups >:(

Yeah, we do occasionally feed the trees, but I've watched FF'ers cross some pretty mean water to see if they can't get their fly back :o

I'll probably get flamed for this, but it's obvious to me that these guys (generically speaking) have no respect for the environment or anybody that might get in their way. And I just have no use for that.

Gerry

RuningWolf
02-02-2007, 12:52 AM
One of the craziest conversations I have ever over heard was a discussion on what type of corn was best and why. They where into it.

Different strokes for different folks

Henry Ambrose
02-12-2007, 11:54 PM
Nothing can beat a big glob of nightcrawlers....nothing!

Kingstonian
02-13-2007, 08:54 PM
Nothing can beat a big glob of nightcrawlers....nothing!

Unless you believe in catch and release, or if you enjoy something more challenging. Then lots of things beat nightcrawlers.

DryFly1
02-13-2007, 09:19 PM
Somebody opened a can of worms! Hehe

Henry Ambrose
02-25-2007, 01:45 PM
Well nothing beats a big glob of nightcrawlers except a barbed treble hook - so the little rascals don't get away.

Henry Ambrose
02-27-2007, 11:12 PM
Hey y'all,

Just pulling your legs on the nightcrawlers!

Stonefly
02-28-2007, 06:47 PM
I knew that. Henry's just stirring the pot. Actually his preference would be shooting 'em with a shotgun, right Henry?

sb