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jgduckhunter
02-13-2007, 10:19 PM
Here in the upper Caney Fork above Center Hill I can wade with a spinning rod and catch about three muskie per morning. My problem is I can't seem to figure how to get them on a fly. I'm thinking maybe a big Clouser but am open for suggestions.

MTN_TRT
02-14-2007, 09:48 AM
Ive never personally fished for muskie, but I took a smallmouth trip w/ a guide. We had a 10wt in the boat and I asked him what is was for. He said that sometimes we can get the muskie started if we get alot of fish on. I asked him if I could see the flies for em, he proceeded to pull out a box and opened it up. It looked like it was full of dead chickens. There were a few clousers in there and a bunch of other mean looking flies. I know that muskie can key on baby ducks and rodents (if youre looking for topwater). Just find something big w/ alot of action.

Jswitow
02-14-2007, 10:50 AM
JG,
I have not done this either, have seen them in the Big SouthFork (tigers) and read and heard a little about them in Melton Hill. Just bought a 10 wt for this purpose, still working on a reel. Anyway you must know more than you realize if you are catching 3 a day on spinning gear, what are you using there? Sorry to be fishing for information, when you are asking. There is a book out called "Pike on a Fly" by Barry Reynolds, he talks about big bunny leaches and such, also big synthetics which don't get so saturated and heavy to cast. I have read it once, need to read it once more but have loaned it to someone. If you want to borrow it, I will loan it to you for a morning on the upper Caney?!
Best,
John

Jswitow
02-14-2007, 11:07 AM
JG,
One more thing, there is a meeting of a Musky Club at Gander Mountain in Knoxville on the 22nd at 7:00 pm (not certain of the time, but the date is correct). I know a few in Knoxville are talking about it.
Best,
John

jgduckhunter
02-14-2007, 05:29 PM
When I am wading I use a medium action baitcaster with your choice of jerk bait as long as it looks like a shad. I prefer X-RAPS the feathers on the trailing hook seem to help. Don't get me wrong when I say three a day. That's just when I am on the upper end where the water is wadable. If you go further down where a boat is nessacary I do good to see 1 a week. The bigger the water the bigger the fish though, I guess everything has a trade-off. I have caght a 36 incher wading though. The best fish from my boat was 61 but I didin't catch it.

BuckeyeRick
02-15-2007, 02:45 PM
Try these sites. I would think that any Minnow imitation, sized way up, would work.

http://www.fishinfatman.com/muskieflyfishing.html

http://www.invictaflies.us/Pike%20Muskie%20flies/muskie_pike_flies.htm

http://groups.msn.com/TheFlyFishingBug/pikeandmuskyflies.msnw

cdu1961
02-16-2007, 01:36 PM
I saw a episode of fly fishing america a couple of weeks ago and they were fishing for muskie . their flies were large and most were orange & black that i saw.

snaildarter
02-19-2007, 10:56 PM
Wow, 3 a day. That is sweet. I've fished upstream from where you speak a few times, while back packing through Scott's Gulf. That area is one of my favorite places in the state. I wish it would remain secret.

I canoed with a friend of mind on the Collins. He landed one and hooked one that day. He was just using a big black woolly bugger.

Hope that helps

Jswitow
02-21-2007, 06:27 PM
I need to get the gazzeteer out and figure out approximately where you guys are talking about. Sounds exciting, promise if I manage to get a muskie it will be returned to the river.
Best,
John

Grumpy
02-22-2007, 02:16 PM
aw heck, there isn't anything to it, my first trip out, i caught one, all ya gotta do is have a fly in the water.
Naturally, after having said this & caught one on my first attempt, i'll never catch another one.

Grumpy

Jswitow
02-22-2007, 05:31 PM
Grumpy,
I have seen the pictures of your fish, you dawg! It sounds like chances are alot better of catching one in Tennessee than up north! I guess when they dont have to compete with the breeding like rabbits pike they faire better. That and the pike like colder water than do muskie, from what I have read.
You must have the "magic touch"!
Best,
John

Grumpy
02-22-2007, 06:38 PM
Grumpy,
I have seen the pictures of your fish, you dawg! It sounds like chances are alot better of catching one in Tennessee than up north! I guess when they dont have to compete with the breeding like rabbits pike they faire better. That and the pike like colder water than do muskie, from what I have read.
You must have the "magic touch"!
Best,
John


John
You oughta see the pics of another trip( i wasn't on it), they were throwing hardware & caught some monsters(by TN) standards.

Grumpy

Jswitow
02-23-2007, 02:21 PM
Grumpy,
I have seen the pictures of your fish, you are a dawg. Of course I'm on a long list of people who have said that! Nice fish though. A little more serious though, the Muskie may not be as big down here, but they seem much plentiful than up north. And I have heard of some monsters too. Maybe the numbers have something to do with the lack of competiton from Northerns, they like water about 10 degrees colder than Muskie as well. Muskie seem to favor water temps about like smallmouth. Just a little warmer than trout.
Anyway best, time to go finish out this Friday ........... working. But you know what I tell my customers; Daddy needs a new flyrod!
John

jgduckhunter
02-23-2007, 08:43 PM
I'm sorry I've been gone for a few days but it looks like this thread has alot of conversation. You guy's fishing the Collin's sound like you are doing good too. I have always been wanting to fish down thataway but never seem to have the time. There are alot of muskie in this river drainage but I can't get everything put together on how to catch them consistantly. It's real fun trying though. Anybody with any info on the Collin's it would be greatly appreciated. Grumpy give me a call back I lost your number.

snaildarter
03-04-2007, 12:30 PM
Regarding the conversation above about Musky numbers here in TN, I do not believe that Muskies really reproduce anywhere in the state any more. If/when they do, it is exceedingly rare. Practically all the muskies that are being caught in TN are stocked.

-Josh

jgduckhunter
03-04-2007, 09:32 PM
I caught one only a foot long in Sept. in the Caney Fork and I don't know of any stockings here since the 80's. If anyone could get the info on this it would be appreciated. I guess even if it's not a "reproducing" river a random event is possible even I found a wife who seems to like me. With that being said anything is possible.

snaildarter
08-01-2007, 05:52 PM
jg,

Sorry I never got back to you! I would really like it if these forums would email you when someone replies to a thread you're involved in. Having said that, I'm grateful to have such a wonderful forum anyway.

1) You asked about the Collins. I'm no musky expert, and I haven't been there in a few years. But there are good musky numbers all the way from Great Falls Lake up as far as you care to go. I think the biggest are closer to the lake. I like the small stream feel up above Irving College. There are some good canoe floats up there. I think some of the muskies move up and down stream with the seasons. Also, there are some rednecks (the bad kind) in that area, so take whatever precautions you think you need to.
2) You commented about stocking... I still say they don't reproduce anywhere in the state anymore. They used to produce all the fingerlings for the state at Eagle Bend Fish Hatchery, and maybe you could call them (865-457-5135) and ask where they are stocked. That hatchery used to be run by a guy nicknamed Stump, and may still be, although I've been out of touch forever. If you've caught more than one in the Caney above Centerhill, then I believe that it is because they have been stocked there.

Good Luck!

jgduckhunter
08-03-2007, 09:33 PM
due to the drought all the upper end of the caney fork has about dried up. I have a new top secret location if anybody is up for a trip. my right arm is a little tore up from a car accident but i could fish if i was forced. in june i tossed every fly i had at one about 50 inches long but he wasn't interested. that was about the last time i've been to the river.

Jswitow
08-03-2007, 11:06 PM
JG,
I would be up for such a trip maybe one Sunday or could maybe take a day off during the week sometime. There are Muskie in the Big SouthFork Drainage and I had heard they were native. The last time I was up there the guy I was fishing with was targeting them, he turned one and landed one<a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m149/jswitow/VinceJeffersMuskie6-21-07.jpg" border="0" alt="Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket"></a> Hope that worked. This fish was gorgeous, you can see how solid it is where he supporting it with his left hand. It was a true Muskie, not a tiger (sterile). I have heard of them in Clear Fork as well.

You want to try one of these trips one of these days I have a rod and some flies, that should turn a few heads. Only have a floating line though, may need a sinktip or full sink as well, but I bet they would ambush a big fly stripped fast. This fish hit a big Johnson's Minnow, sure it was no deeper than 2'.
Tight lines,

Jswitow
08-03-2007, 11:07 PM
Doesn't look that worked.
Sorry

Jswitow
08-03-2007, 11:10 PM
One more try! http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m149/jswitow/VinceJeffersMuskie6-21-07.jpg
Lets see if that worked, I hope I posted the wrong link.
Best,
John

jgduckhunter
08-04-2007, 09:30 PM
that's awesome great pic. i really need to start carrying a camera but the luck i've had this year i would have a hard time finding something to take a picture of.

snaildarter
08-05-2007, 03:58 PM
John, that is a great picture. Very healthy looking fish.

And you are right, they are native to BSF and especially the Clear Fork trib, and also some other scattered spots like French Broad, Little T, and Hiwassee. But our native fish, a subspecies only found in rivers of the Ohio drainage, went practically extinct during the mid 20th century (same old culprits as always; dams and pollution). This strain is pretty different than the northern-lake subspecies they produce at hatcheries, and which doesn't have the ability to spawn in TN at all. Our native strain rarely ever got above 20 pounds. The last remnants of our native strain in TN were in the BSF and Obed river systems. But that was the 60's and early 70's. By the late 90's when I was working as a fisheries tech it was generally accepted that the native strain had likely gone extinct. The stocking of the Lake strain in many of their native creeks probably sealed their fate, if they weren't gone already. If anyone else on the list has better information than I do, surely let me know.

JG and/or John, I'd probably like the chance to fish with either of you. I can tell from your past posts that you are both good fisherman that I could learn from and would probably enjoy fishing with, even if we didn't catch anything. I've never yet fished with anyone on the list, but would like to. I'll fish for about anything, but often stick to flies. I'd prefer during the week, but weekends are a possibility too. If you are interested, please contact me at josh att crunks dot com.

JG, you mentioned the upper Caney has dried up. I wonder how much you have explored it. That river goes underground and pops back up in a bunch of places, but it is so remote that much of it is hard to get to. Some of the big pools hold a ton of fish in really dry weather like this.

Be well, Josh

Jswitow
08-06-2007, 05:32 PM
Hey I don't get anything with that address. I would like to fish with you, I could show you most of what I know in 30 minutes! But hey lets go fishing!
jswitow@hotmail.com just to make contact.
Best,
John

Jswitow
08-06-2007, 05:37 PM
I thought the fish which were stocked were tigers (sterile cross between the Muskie and the Northern). Is that not the case? That fish from the Big South Fork (Caught by a good friend; Vince Jeffers) is definately a pure muskie. More than that I do not know.
Best,
John

snaildarter
08-07-2007, 05:43 PM
I would assume that tigers are stocked somewhere in the state, but I couldn't find it. However, I did find the 2006 list of musky stockings. Here is the list:
musky list pdf (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tnfish.org%2FMuskyMeltonHillL akeTennessee_TWRA%2Ffiles%2FMuskyStatewideStocking 1953_2006.pdf&ei=u-G4RraiIqWUggTDnZXbBA&usg=AFQjCNF_uENiHpavSkOAe38GJbVC2ofbLQ&sig2=cAosRRbTY5k5kQW2QK8zQw)

John, by the way, I purposely typed my email address in the post above with a spelling error to stop the spam bots from collecting it. It must have been too misspelled to be legible. I hate spam! :smile: I'll email you in a bit. I'll be happy to show you all of my vast fishing knowledge. 5 minutes later, we can start fishing!

JGduckhunter, you still up to show us your "new top secret location?" Are you having second thoughts yet? :biggrin: I can only say that myself, I don't keep anything, especially muskies, and I live far enough away from your area that I won't harass them very often.

-Josh

jgduckhunter
08-07-2007, 07:06 PM
i'm going to have to work 7 days a week for the next three weeks at least but after that it is going to be hard to keep me off the water. i'll get in touch with you as soon as i get this job done. the place i am talking about is in the middle of sparta. i mean right in town it's to deep to wade but it is full of muskie and little smallies. there is a dead end street 1 block down from the court house that ends in sort of a little park with a boat ramp. from here you can fish up or down a pretty good ways. there is also a walking path (paved) on the other side some people walk and fish where they can find openings.

jgduckhunter
08-07-2007, 07:11 PM
has anyone on here ever caught one fo these i've seen pictures but i would like to see one for real. someone told me to try daddy's creek north of crossville. i never have had the time to look into it. i didn't know they were a hybrid i just assumed they were another species.

snaildarter
08-07-2007, 09:09 PM
JG, as best I can tell, no muskies have been stocked in Calf Killer, so they must have come upstream from the Caney Fork stocking spot, which is the 111 bridge area.

Again, I can't find anything on tigers being stocked in TN. TWRA's Region 4 web site seems to imply that they are not stocked at all in TN.

Daddy's creek has regular muskies. That's the only place I have actually landed one. That creek has to be one of the most rugged in the state.

Too bad you have to work! But please remember us when you go musky hunting again! And thank you for the fishing hole!

Jswitow
08-07-2007, 10:32 PM
Snaildarter,
Much appreciate the list. I don't see anything closer that Clear Fork to the BSF unless Clear Creek is a trib. Have to get my Gazatteer out. I will look for your email.
Best,
John

snaildarter
08-07-2007, 11:56 PM
Hey John, sent you an email about an hour before you posted. Did you get it?

Clear Fork and New River come together to form the BSF. Both of those are stocked, and muskies move seasonally a lot. Also, it would not surprise me at all if they stock on the Kentucky side.

By the way, just found another link. The state biologists do consider the native reproducing strain to have died out:
musky link (http://www.westernnorthcarolinamuskyclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=961&sid=9aa119f292a555eb1fc4630edfa38a8f)

But, on the bright side, they do now stock the Ohio River strain, which is almost the same thing. Maybe some day they'll start reproducing again.