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Gerry Romer
02-27-2007, 12:37 AM
I'm not really intending to stir the pot here although I'm sure for some folks this will.

Just something I was thinking about when I read the phrase "combat fishing" in a thread on the Hiwassee. I've seen combat fishing on the S. Holston, the Hiwassee and the Clinch. Now, mind you, I've only made one trip to the Hi, but from what I saw there that one time, and compared to the Clinch and SoHo, I have an observation.

IMHO, there appears to be more spin/bait fishing going on at the Clinch than the other two.

I've fished the Clinch at and above the weir, at and below Miller's Island, and behind the jail. At each of these locations - no matter what day of the week or time of day - I've always felt "outnumbered" for lack of a better word.

Is it just me?

Gerry

Grumpy
02-27-2007, 11:25 AM
Can you imagine what our license would cost w/o the spinning guys?

Grumpy

Jswitow
02-27-2007, 01:16 PM
I really don't care what kind of tackle they use, I just wish they would throw back some fish. There are very liberal regs on the Clinch and enforcement is non-existent. I rarely fish the Clinch anymore for this reason. That river has such good carrying capacity,(ability to grow fish quickly) it is a shame that some sort of slot limit cannot be instated and enforced. The boost to the local economy could be good (I think). This is an old smelly can of worms though, and this is about I will say about it. I will go back (with some regularity) a year after they install some decent regs on the river. I know there will be some good fish that quick. It is just a "put and take" fishery now. If it were changed to a "put-grow and take" fishery it would improve greatly. (in my humble opinion).
Tight lines,
John

UTKFlyFisher
02-27-2007, 02:17 PM
Just to clear you up on some stuff, carrying capacity is not which the rate that how fast fish or fish populations can grow in the enviroment, it is on which the maximum number in a population of an organism can be supported in that enviroment. And yes some sort of regulations need to be inforced, look what they have done for the Little Red River in Arkansas. Thats probably one of my most favorite places to fish and arkansas is full of Spin Fisherman!

Sage
02-27-2007, 02:35 PM
My biggest gripe with spin casters is that if I happen to find a good hole at the Clinch, they feel it necessary to march right over and cast on top of me. I'm not big on semeone poaching my space. At least the majority of fly casters respect at least casting distance if not a little more. I do agree with better, heck, at least SOME limit enforcement. Too many times I've watched guys waddle to their ride with 20-30 fish crammed in their waders. I'm with Jswitow, I try not to go there much anymore.

Flat Fly n
02-27-2007, 06:57 PM
Boys,
RW's gonna get you on that C&R stuff and regs. talk!

I personally don't mind how you catch em, just observe the limit...........But then which one of us drives the speed limit on the way to the Clinch....so, if there is NO chance of getting "pinched" (term my great friend in Maine uses for getting caught by game and fish), then why worry. Fill up the coolers boys! Wouldn't you love to see TN put an undercover agent up there some weekend that got to fish all day and write ticket after ticket like I saw in PA one day. Hmmmm ..maybe when I get to retire I will offer my services!

Personally, when I am around this behavior I like to talk to my buddy in a louder than usual voice about the increase risk of testicular cancer in people who eat fish from tailwaters, throwing in some profound BS for fun about the sediment from the lakes etc., special acid released from the scuds causing this phenomenon.

The Little Red is a special place UTK. Have you fished below North Fork and done the slam...bow, brown, cutt, and brook? Special regs work for all, not just the flyfisherman.

Flat Fly'n

UTKFlyFisher
02-27-2007, 07:07 PM
Iv never fished it, I have landed the hat trick though on the little red.....Bow Brown and a Brook (and all nice ones at that). And yes i have also noticed that spin fisherman sort of seem to throw right up on you at the weir dam, They seem to think that fishing tip to tip is fine.........I actually have just gotten back from fishing a beautiful day at the Clinch. Landed 4, and actually caught some that put a nice bend in the rod.

Gerry Romer
02-27-2007, 07:45 PM
Y'all seem to be coming down hard on the need for regs and/or enforcement on the Clinch and I understand that... I've read all that here already.

What I was asking is: Is it just my imagination or is the Clinch fished more heavily by bait/spin fishermen than other tailwaters around here?? And, if so, why do you think that is? I mean the SoHo is just about as easy to access as the Clinch - the HI maybe not as easy. Does public convenience have anything to do with the equation? Has TWRA just made it far too easy to abuse the system on the Clinch... or am I just really off the mark here?

That's always a possibility!

Gerry

billyspey
02-27-2007, 08:55 PM
gerry; i was fishing the s holston yesterday 2 bait fisherman were fishing around me and culling fish from their stringers . reason i say bait they had small minow cans dangling in the water.bait fishing is not only limited to the clinch spend more time on the other rivers you will see. clinch is just closer to a larger population so you notice more there. it is still legal to bait fishing . i would like a slot size imposed on tailwaters with enforcment by twra. but until proper enforcment, it doen't matter the regs. are.

David Knapp
02-27-2007, 09:00 PM
What I was asking is: Is it just my imagination or is the Clinch fished more heavily by bait/spin fishermen than other tailwaters around here??

I have only fished the Clinch once so I guess I cannot probably accurately compare the two. However, everytime I fish the Hiwassee, I see a LOT of spin fisherman. Based on my only experience on the Clinch, I would say the two are fairly comparable in terms of percentage/numbers of bait fisherman. The one time I was on the SoHo there were a bunch of guys with spinning gear as well...

UTKFlyFisher
02-27-2007, 09:22 PM
Well from what I have seen, Bait Casters arent as apt to strap on the waders and tredge through the current but rather throw out some lawn chairs on the side of the river or on the weir, i just dont see them as that big of a problem.

Paddle
02-27-2007, 09:59 PM
I've always thought it would be nice to have a catch and release section on the Clinch. The biggest problem on the clinch is limited access points.

ChemEAngler
02-27-2007, 10:14 PM
I was on the HI Saturday, and as I was leaving a spin fisherman approached me. We were in the big bend parking lot, and he asked that I verify the trophy trout zone regulations for him. I told him that from that island down (pointed it out to him) is trophy trout section, it was single hook artificial only, and that only 2 trout over 14" could be kept. He proceeded to take out a pack of treble hooks and throw them back into his car. He then loaded his vest up with Berkley powerbait and trudged off into the water. I thought this guy was going to head upstream and fish the shoals. However, he threw me for a loop when he immediately started heading downstream into the trophy section. When my buddy arrived at the vehicle he had also met up with this guy who told him he had already caught 20 and was going back for more action. I have never had a problem with spin fishermen, but when they have a blatant disregard for the regulations, that really bothers me.