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UTKFlyFisher
09-05-2007, 07:50 PM
So I remember hearin about this some time ago. A friend of a friend caught 2 small 4'' to 5'' brooke trout up near the dam on the clinch. Anyone else had any luck with this?

Petey
09-05-2007, 11:14 PM
Hmm.. never heard of anybody ever catching any brook trout on the Clinch.

Never have known TWRA to stock them there.

ttas67
09-05-2007, 11:52 PM
a few years ago, I think somebody caught a shark on norris lake.

edit: couldn't find any links on google with it, somebody help me out here. I know I read that in the news apprx 5-10 years ago.

if somebody put some brookies in there, I imagine they would survive (other than getting eaten by big lunker browns). the water coming out of the bottom of the dam is around 42 deg.

Gerry Romer
09-06-2007, 12:09 AM
if somebody put some brookies in there, I imagine they would survive (other than getting eaten by big lunker browns). the water coming out of the bottom of the dam is around 42 deg.

Yeah, but even if somebody did put some brookies in there, those hogs are long gone to some meat fishermen:biggrin:

Gerry

Flat Fly n
09-06-2007, 06:29 AM
I walked out of the river years ago and a guy ask me what kind of trout he was cleaning........it was a brook trout about 8-10 inches. I actually took a photo and have it stored somewhere on my computer. I will try to dig it up. The fish was caught at the jail. Sure it got in the truck or leftover from some previous stocking.

Arkansas stocks brook trout on the N. Fork of the White. I caught a 17" brook trout there the last time I went. A cold tailwater such as the Clinch could hold them.

Flat Fly'n

Troutman
09-06-2007, 09:46 AM
FlatFN, The N Fork produces exceptional fish! Wish TWRA and TVA could manage the local tailwaters like the Ark. boys. Brooks,Big Browns and rainbows could all be available one day if the management practices would change around here. I have caught small brookies on the Watauga but never in the Clinch or Holston. This one was caught a few years ago by a friend of mine, we caught several 20" browns the same day.

19" N. Fork brookie
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/gltroutman/ark1.jpg

Flat Fly n
09-10-2007, 02:22 PM
Faded out brookie with old camera... Sorry, it's not a beautiful as the one above, but it came from the Clinch long ago.

http://s230.photobucket.com/albums/ee78/tnflyfish/?action=view&current=clinchriverbrooktrout.jpg

Rusty Hook
09-12-2007, 10:24 AM
Brent Taylor and I fished the Clinch River at Miller's Island last Friday morning. Brent landed two Brook Trout of which I took a photo of the first. I don't think its the same strain as the Mountain Speck, but none the less...it's a Brook. I will post the photo on the "Picture Board". The spots, vertical stripes, and white leading edge on the fins all say Brook Trout.

btw...The second Brook had a noticable bite mark near the tail fin. I hope they make it!!

Rockyraccoon
09-16-2007, 06:40 PM
Had the day off today and was lucky to find a couple of friends to spend some boat time with today on the Clinch.

We put on early and had to take off fairly early....so, in order to avoid the masses and low water around Millers....we just oared up toward the weir.

Fishing was good with us using little nymphs and midges, and a few boogers. Most fish were fairly small, like the norm for the Clinch....however, we did have a few nice fish over 12"...but the most surprising catchs of the day were brookies.

http://easttennflyfishing.com/littleclinchbrookie.jpg

We caught two brookies that were about 5-6" long.....and had one shake us at the boat that was probably closer to 9".

It was discussed at one of the Coldwater Meetings a few years ago...but they never acted on it. Maybe the drought forced them to place some hatchery brooks in viable water. OR maybe they just started a new program. Either way....there are a few brookies out there and I imagine if they can avoid the skillet, freezer, or natural predators....we could see some nice tailwater brookies in a year or two. Especially if they can make it to the new "man I hope so" protected slot.

Petey
09-17-2007, 01:10 PM
Little Brookies in the Clinch....

Cool....

Stonefly
09-17-2007, 01:14 PM
NC definitely stocks brookies, but I've been told that "we don't know how to do it in Tennessee."

sb

appalachian angler
09-18-2007, 10:44 AM
Got one yester day at Millers. the rumors are true..how they got there is another mystery

aa

billyspey
09-18-2007, 09:09 PM
twra stocked 150,000 brook trout fingerlings in the clinch about 2 wks ago twra has stocked over 650,000 trout in the clinch since this yr. with only 13 miles of trout water, kentucky stocked the cumberland with little more than 100,000 in 40 miles of trout water. wonder why the cumberland is such a better fishery? more is not always better !!!!!!!!!!

Fishermansfly
09-19-2007, 01:49 AM
I'm gonna try and get an answer for this...I just don't understand it! I don't think there expecting these lil guys to make it? Sounds like there feeding the browns to me..I'm betting on Rocky's opinion on this one...It's the only thing that makes any sense! Why lose what they've already raised and they probably need the room to brod more!

I'll try and get an answer!
Brett

Flat Fly n
09-19-2007, 08:31 AM
Now if we could somehow convince the "cooler gangs" that those little funny colored fish cause cancer!

Byron Begley
09-19-2007, 10:45 AM
One of the biologists told me a few months ago that they were considering stocking brookies in the Clinch. I kept my mouth shut because I didn't know if it was him just thinking out loud or it was seriously in the plan for 2008. I guess they just went ahead and did it. And, why not?

Byron

budman
09-19-2007, 07:11 PM
Yea what a pleasant surprise. I haven't been on the board (or fished) as much as I'd like in the past few months, but would have thought that I would have read or heard something somewhere that this was coming. I've read the articles & posts on slot limits but as far as stocking specs, that blew me away. Did this just come from out of the blue or have I been that far out of the loop?

Gerry Romer
09-19-2007, 10:54 PM
Yea what a pleasant surprise. I haven't been on the board (or fished) as much as I'd like in the past few months, but would have thought that I would have read or heard something somewhere that this was coming. I've read the articles & posts on slot limits but as far as stocking specs, that blew me away. Did this just come from out of the blue or have I been that far out of the loop?

I think we've all pretty much been kept out of the loop! Maybe intentionally??

Welcome back BTW :biggrin:

Gerry

golfballs03
09-20-2007, 12:47 AM
I heard several months ago that TWRA was starting to stock the Clinch with brookies. All the indications are that they are very capable of having a naturally reproducing brook trout population. The only real question was whether or not they could survive all the browns. How great would it be if they could

RuningWolf
09-20-2007, 10:15 AM
One of the biologists told me a few months ago that they were considering stocking brookies in the Clinch. I kept my mouth shut because I didn't know if it was him just thinking out loud or it was seriously in the plan for 2008. I guess they just went ahead and did it. And, why not?

Byron


It was part of their 02-06-management plan.

My question is why did they wait until now to start? :rolleyes:

RuningWolf
09-20-2007, 10:21 AM
I heard several months ago that TWRA was starting to stock the Clinch with brookies. All the indications are that they are very capable of having a naturally reproducing brook trout population. The only real question was whether or not they could survive all the browns. How great would it be if they could

Per Bettoli’s Report 00-19 he states why Brown Trout spawning habitat is poor on the Clinch as well as the reasons for what little that may occur is extremely dependant on TVA’s flow release.

Could you ask who ever told you this why it should be any different for Brook Trout?

RuningWolf
09-20-2007, 11:06 AM
a few years ago, I think somebody caught a shark on norris lake.

edit: couldn't find any links on google with it, somebody help me out here. I know I read that in the news apprx 5-10 years ago.

if somebody put some brookies in there, I imagine they would survive (other than getting eaten by big lunker browns). the water coming out of the bottom of the dam is around 42 deg.

http://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=6193&d=1147404125


Just think if it wasn’t for those bait fishermen you could be tying into some real hogs like this one.

All kidding aside. :smile: Most sharks don’t survive long in Fresh Water. The Bull Shark pictured above (at least I hope my attempt worked) may survive for some time in fresh water. If there was one it was just released. Piranha has been caught in several TVA lakes as well. There are also instances of gators being found (Not the Florida football variety either)

RuningWolf
09-20-2007, 11:20 AM
NC definitely stocks brookies, but I've been told that "we don't know how to do it in Tennessee."

sb

http://www.state.tn.us/twra/fish/StreamRiver/tailtrout/tailtrout.html
From the above link TWRA stocks them in the Watauga as well

I have heard from reliable sources that some are occasionally caught on the Hiwassee as well

RuningWolf
09-20-2007, 11:19 PM
Now if we could somehow convince the "cooler gangs" that those little funny colored fish cause cancer!


Do you think TWRA could afford to stock them if it was not for the license fees paid by the “cooler gangs”? After all to be honest the Clinch is an artificial trout fishery for without stocking it would soon disappear.

milligan trout degree
09-21-2007, 12:21 AM
I know atleast one spot on the watauga where i only expect to hook into brookies and atleast a couple others were I expect to catch two or three mixed in with browns and bows. I've never caught anything other than recent stocker size, but they're definately in there. I heard they began stocking brookies after a plant in Elizabethton caught fire and released waste into the river killing all the fish below. When they reintroduced trout to the waters, they began adding brook trout in with the browns and bows.

RuningWolf
09-21-2007, 12:31 AM
II heard they began stocking brookies after a plant in Elizabethton caught fire and released waste into the river killing all the fish below. When they reintroduced trout to the waters, they began adding brook trout in with the browns and bows.

If memory serves me properly you are correct. I have something on it in notes from past State TU Council meetings or the Coldwater meetings that I took during that time frame.

There was lots of controversy over that entire episode. It is fortunate the river was able to recover as quickly as it did.

RuningWolf
10-01-2007, 01:00 PM
twra stocked 150,000 brook trout fingerlings in the clinch about 2 wks ago twra has stocked over 650,000 trout in the clinch since this yr. with only 13 miles of trout water, kentucky stocked the cumberland with little more than 100,000 in 40 miles of trout water. wonder why the cumberland is such a better fishery? more is not always better !!!!!!!!!!

Stocking rates for the Norris tailwater during 1990-2001.
Year Rainbow Trout Brown Trout Total
1990 303,294 26,024 329,318
1991 230,656 17,932 248,588
1992 203,687 20,005 223,692
1993 264,728 -- 264,728
1994 187,935 10,004 197,939
1995 197,756 17,539 215,295
1996 122,208 13,937 136,145
1997 217,367 125,501 342,868
1998 198,894 111,362 310,256
1999 199,042 20,000 219,042
2000 242,257 10,453 252,710
2001 193,349 77,964 271,313
Mean 213,431 40,975 250,991

This also includes trout fry (1-2 in) as well as catchables to the best of my knowledge

This is data that is fingerlings (3-5in fish) only. These are what make or break the river as they survive and grow into the 12-20+ in fish the fry they cannot find and the catchables do not survive (Not from harvesting but they disappear) per TWRA data and fisheries reports

Stocking rates for 3-5" rainbow trout in the Norris tailwater (nearly all browns are stocked as 7-8" fish).
Year Rainbows Browns
1999 160,042 20,000
2000 167,789 10,453
2001 160,049 77,964 (includes 58k 4" browns)
2002 159,990 44,402
2003 170,099 20,000
2004 216,233 32,093 (includes 18k 4" browns)
2005 210,119 33,431
2006 290,523 60,695 (includes 40k 4" browns)

The data you gave for the stocking of over 600, 000 includes the fry and catchables, which neither survive. It is a complete waste of money to stock them. In any numbers what so ever.

The number is misleading as to what is there. Additionally per fisheries report 05-05 this information is very telling “Our findings suggest that the carrying capacity of the Clinch River is being approached, or perhaps exceeded.” It also tells us that there is “inverse relationship between survival and stocking rates”. There is also some other very good info in that report that I will not go into here some of which talks about the different survivability rates among various rivers and some of the reasons why. That is why some river recieve more fish than others

As to the Brookies per TWRA they stocked “100,000 4" back in May. These were surplus fish we got from a hatchery in W. VA."

I think any more discussion along these lines needs to be moved to the Fisheries Management & Biology (http://littleriveroutfitters.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=89) section.

RuningWolf
10-02-2007, 09:13 AM
Brent Taylor and I fished the Clinch River at Miller's Island last Friday morning. Brent landed two Brook Trout of which I took a photo of the first. I don't think its the same strain as the Mountain Speck, but none the less...it's a Brook. I will post the photo on the "Picture Board". The spots, vertical stripes, and white leading edge on the fins all say Brook Trout.

btw...The second Brook had a noticable bite mark near the tail fin. I hope they make it!!

Did that Brent Taylor use to live in Clinton and go to High School there in the late 60's??