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Shaggy
02-28-2008, 02:33 PM
My buddy wants to take me up to a place called Rabbit Creek. I looked it up and noticed it is on the east side of the park and also close to the many strams of Abrams Creek. He does not fish, but likes to camp out there and thinks I will have some good luck fishing there. Anybody ever fish in that area? If so, which will be better, Abrams or Rabbit Creek? Any other words of advice would be great! Thanks!

sammcdonald
02-28-2008, 06:02 PM
abrams...hands down.

PeteCz
02-28-2008, 08:02 PM
Sam's right. I hiked over to Rabbit Creek last year and there is a nice campsite very near the stream a few miles above Abrams (CS#15), but there are nothing but millions upon millions of shiners...stick to Abrams...

sammcdonald
02-29-2008, 10:06 AM
plus campsite 15 is closed and has been for a while (17 is also closed)

Shaggy
02-29-2008, 10:52 AM
Stupid newbie question: Whats a shiner?

Also, we were coming to the park via happy valley road and then a small hike up to Abrams I guess. This is a good ways from Abram Falls and propably closer to Chilhowee lake. Is this part of Abrams good for trout or do we need to go further into the park? From what I see on a map we will barely be in the park. Just wondering, I have never really fished anywhere but the Townsend area. Thanks!

sammcdonald
02-29-2008, 11:21 AM
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.nae.usace.army.mil/recreati/nhl/NHL%2520Fish/nhlcommonshiner.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.nae.usace.army.mil/recreati/nhl/NHL%2520Fish/nhlcommonshiner.html&h=285&w=432&sz=33&hl=en&start=5&tbnid=i_bWtbJ2G3X1QM:&tbnh=83&tbnw=126&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dshiner%2Bminnow%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%2 6sa%3DG

shiner minnow

snaildarter
02-29-2008, 01:00 PM
Here's another common shiner species that is all over some streams around the smokies: Warpaint Shiners.

http://www.outdooralabama.com/Fishing/freshwater/fish/other/minnow/shiner/warpaint/

You can see how they got their name. While shiners can be pretty annoying, I think that when you can find them in the same stream with Browns, you always got a chance at a really big fish.

jeffnles1
02-29-2008, 02:58 PM
Here is a real life, genuine Little River warpaint shiner caught in the beautiful Great Smokey Mountains of Tennessee.

Tell you the truth, if these guys grew to 10" it's all I would fish for. They are aggressive, take a fly with gusto and, for their size, actually put up a pretty decent fight. That is assuming you can say a 3" fish of any species puts up a fight. They are on par with a 3" trout in that regard :smile: . Let's just not ask how I have so much first hand knowledge of the fighting capabilities of a 3" trout. :cool:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/jeffnles1/fishing/HPIM0099.jpg

PeteCz
02-29-2008, 10:22 PM
jeffnles1, the fact that you took the time to snap the picture without losing a grip on the guy is pretty impressive...

Shaggy, you could do a search on the board for lower abrams creek and would find a long list of folks who have tried to fish around the Abrams Creek Campground and just above, but have had very limited luck with trout. That part of the stream just gets too warm in the summer months. Above the Little Bottoms area (CS#17), the fishing gets better. Some folks have never had a lot of luck in that area, but other have. Further up (above the falls) it gets better still...

Shiners: I know others have found Brown trout lurking where shiners congregate, but I've never had much luck in streams with lots of shiners. There seems to be a reason why they thrive, and that would be an absence of predators. Seems to me, if you find lots of them, you might be in for a slow day...

flyman
02-29-2008, 10:26 PM
Smoky Mountain Cuttthroats:biggrin:

sammcdonald
03-01-2008, 11:12 AM
flyman,
are you describing the residents of "happy valley"?