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JoeFred 10-24-2010 01:55 PM

Stream Crossing Signs...

Stream crossing road signs apparently do not exist in the Park.
Would it be good to have such signs? ... or not so much?

Jim Casada 10-24-2010 05:23 PM

Fred--I assume you mean signs for roads crossing streams, as opposed to trails. There wouldn't be all that many road signs, since there aren't that many roads in/through the Park. On the other hand, trail crossings exist in great number. I seem to have vauge memories of a few trail crossing signs when I was a kid, and I know some of the creeks had signs at trail heads saying things such as "15 fords". Many of the fords also had names. On Deep Creek, for example, 1st Ford, 2nd Ford, Deep Ford, Perry Gap Bend Ford. Of course all of those are gone, thanks to trail changes.
I personally don't know that such information would mean much to road travelers, although you never know. On Friday a van full of Japanese pulled up to me above the "Million Dollar Bridge" on Straight Fork and insisted they could go on up the one-way road from Heintooga Overlook the wrong way to get to Mingo Falls. I finally dissuaded them--language was a big problem--and told them they had passed the turnoff for Mingo Falls a good many miles back down on the Big Cove Road. Obviously they could have used some signs, although there are small signs indicating the turn for Mingo Falls and a big one saying Mingo Falls Campground. This isn't the Park but is on the reservation, but it's indicative of the problem. When the guy didn't understand "hard surface" or "pavement," I knew he was in trouble. I wonder if they ever found the falls, although I did get them convinced not to go to Heintooga the wrong way.
Jim Casada

JoeFred 10-24-2010 07:34 PM

Yes, Jim, I meant signs for roads crossing streams. Thanks. I edited the post to clarify.

Here are streams crossed traveling north on US 441: Mingus Cr, Couches Cr, Collins Cr, Cliff Br, Kanati Fk, Wild Cherry Br, Walker Camp Pr, Trout Br, Cole Cr, W Pr Little Pigeon R, Steep Br, Hickory King Br, Critter Br, Sugarland Br, & Twomile Br.


Jim Casada 10-24-2010 09:02 PM

Fred--I don't know if it matters, but several of those are mere trickles which don't hold trout. It will be interesting to see what others think or whether it matters one way or the other.
Jim Casada

JoeFred 10-24-2010 09:29 PM

Yes, that's true. Personally, I think their names and history behind them is best discovered by means other than signs.


Owl 10-25-2010 03:24 AM

I think the park has enough signs, already. Campground signs, road signs, trail signs, traffic signs and esp. those lovely " Here's how we're spending money your great grandkids will have to somehow come up with..." signs( which will hopefully be gone soon.) The Park service offers maps with all the trails and creek names. It wouldn't kill people to put forth a little effort if they want to know the stream names.

my 2

Crockett 10-25-2010 09:34 AM

Fred you left out Road Turn branch. Know that cause I have bushwhacked up it a couple of times. No I wouldn't put stream name signs up there are too many of them and most people wouldn't care.

Unrelated to signs but as far as fishing to me it is usually pretty easy to tell which stream I am on if I have a topo map. However, the confusing part is often at a confluence with another stream. Those can be tricky sometimes. I often wonder is this the confluence with stream x or just another one of the countless sluices around a large island by the same stream.

Fishstu 10-25-2010 10:38 AM

I like the idea of some small unobtrusive signs (like your fictional depiction) on / near bridges / roads crossing 'major' rivers or streams. They would not have to be on / near every stream crossing, but an occasional 'point of reference' would be helpful for Park visitors (and some fishermen not very familiar with the Park). I am not a big fan of anecdotal support for 'new ideas' like the signs, but it seems like at least once every time I've been near a pull-off or along a road in my last few trips to the Park a visitor has unexpectedly hollered out the question 'what river is this?' while I'm in the midst of a cast, mend or while trying to land a trout (once). A few signs won't stop those types of interruptions, but, again, would be helpful for visitors not familiar with the Park.


Knothead 10-25-2010 10:52 AM

I tend to agree with owl. Keep the signs to a minimum. I have a park map and look at it from time to time for funsies. I try to pick out the feeder creeks and how accessible they are for fishing. Hopefully, this coming year I can spend some time in the park.

Rog 1 10-25-2010 02:53 PM

I can remember years ago when the Park closed a lot of brookie water and apparently sent someone up Fish Camp Prong with a no fishing sign to be hung across Goshen Prong...obviously they told the person it was the forks of the river just past the big rock because they hung the sign up at the bottom of the "island" above the left hand "sluice" believing this was Goshen Prong....

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