I tie all mine un-weighted and then add weight to the line as I go. I caught a really good one that was sitting in the Crusher hole just this passed Monday on a weenie and he was sitting in about 5 ft off water. He was sitting in a weird spot just off the main current and after 10 minutes of High sticking. I couldnt get him to take. I put on an Indictor and a weenie and he took the first drift. Pretty cool.I think the indicator let it stay in his face longer maybe.