And yes, those charts should be fine.
And yes, those charts should be fine.
All of the hatch charts previously posted can be found at the following link and are produced by Mr. Hugh Hartsell.
Regarding the similarities of the South Holston tailwater to the Holston tailwater below Cherokee, there is very little other than the name. The South Holston has phenomenal sulfur, blackfly, BWO, and midge hatches. The Holston is known as more of a caddis tailwater with somes midges and BWO's thrown in there. The hatch chart given below will not benefit you very much below Cherokee dam.
If you are going to fish the Holston, have some caddis larvae and pupae in #16 & 18, elk hair caddis (tan, black, & olive) in 16 &18, zebra midges as mentioned by somebody previously, and some BHPT's in 16 thru 20, and you should be covered.
One common mistake by beginning flyfisherman is using flies that are too large and are typically carried by the big box stores. Using a #12 BHPT will most likely get you nowhere on the holston. Same as if you were using a #12 elk hair caddis. Sure is easy to see, but does a poor job of imitating the size of the most abundant food source.
Secondly, get yourself some 9' 5x leaders. Also buy yourself some 6x fluorocarbon tippet material, it will make a significant difference as well.
Last edited by Fishermansfly; 04-12-2009 at 07:31 PM. Reason: Issue fixed! Retracted
Back to fly fishing.
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I think it is very kind to share a little information, however, I also think there is no substitute for time on the river. I feel like just because one man has paid his dues and figured things out on a particular body of water, it is almost an insult to ask him for very many details. I have offered advice to a struggling fisherman before, but I am pretty tight lipped when asked. I just feel like just because some people spend many hours and many years experimenting and learning, why would you want to just give it to Joe Schmo who decides he wants to start fly fishing, he needs to invest some time into it on his own.
Perhaps a casting lesson or two, and a couple of introductory books would be a great start and I am sure that Byron would be more than willing to help you out.
Good point. I try and give enough to get them on the river catching stockers and leave it at that. I figure the more people we have fishing, the more influence we have on the river. There is so much more to it than what I told him. Good advice on reading books. I've learned a lot by reading what others have learned over years. I don't get out enough to apply it, but I sure like to learn different techniques. If he wants to catch the big one's, he'll have to know a lot more than what I've posted, but you do bring up a good point. If I had my way, every one that fishes for trout for sport would fly fish.
Here is what he asked:
Had he asked about a particular fly, in a particular place, at a particular then I would completely agree with you (and the guy he ran into on the stream). We can all spot the folks who are trying to take short-cuts to wisdom and I don't think that is the case here. We should try and help those who are interested in taking up the sport. The more folks we have interested in it, the less likelihood it will get regulated into legislative oblivion.
"Even a fish wouldn't get into trouble if he kept his mouth shut."
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Gotta love the net! But seriously you both bring up good points and something I struggle with frequently. It seems to becoming more and more prevelant as the days pass! Information sharing in fly fishing. More frequently known in fly fishing as "Hot Spotting!" I also believe that someone who jumps in for there first time knowing every secret is not being verry sporty and takes the fun out of the sport. I think that's where you were going with what you said. I think everyone deserves to get the ol fish slap every once and a while. It hones our skills and makes us better fisherpersons!
It's a double edge sword we walk when sharing info. We want the sport to thrive to drive down costs of rods and fly fishing specialty equipment, but we seem scared to share information to help a new fellow out.
Remember that 10% of the fisherman catch 1% of the fish! Something to think about. I don't know where or how the phrase was "coined" but as I continue to fish this becomes a more realistic number.
Finally for the original question. Take a day off brother and spend it at LRO on a slow day. Pick there brains that's what they get paid to do. I hope you enjoy the sport as much as I have and currently do. I hope you do well and learn quickly!