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    Lightbulb How about stocking Hesse Creek... for the kids?

    The very lightly fished Hesse Creek drainage empties into the Little River well outside the GSMN Park downstream of Townsend. Only small stretches of the remote watershed streams hold wild trout. Just for the sake of discussion... let’s say the National Park Service would consider stocking the Hesse Creek drainage in the Park.
    What regulations could be put in place whereby young, typically impatient anglers could actually experience catching a trout? in the Smoky Mountains? where bears live ? (Obviously bait fishing should be prohibited as elsewhere).

    What access improvements could be made with minimal effect on the environment? (Park-sanctioned Jeep shuttles for example?)

    What access restrictions should be considered? (Special permit issued by shuttle operator perhaps?)
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    I once walked 20 miles (there and back from abrams creek ranger station) to fish several hours and catch one small 3 inch black dace. The water looked great and very trouty but no luck. Fished all around cs 3. I wouldn't have any problem with them stocking the lower section there in walland up a ways but the access there at that bridge doesn't look to good. Obviously they will never stock fish in the park again so you aren't referring to that area right Fred?

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    Adam, are you saying something was agreed to that by law fish can never be stocked in the park, even in an area totally isolated from other park streams, or is it more of a fisheries management mandate?

    Yeah, I know access would be a huge obstacle and I doubt a new road/bridges would ever be agreed to... even for this type of cause.

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    No Fred I meant that I don't think they would stock non-native species like rainbow trout in the park again. However there is no law against it that I know of. They might bring in some specks but Hesse probably can't support them. I just don't think they would ever stock a non-native in the park again. I could be wrong though they brought in the beetles for the hemlock adelgid.

    Also the only part that they could really stock is down toward the little river. If they stocked Hesse Creek inside the park it would be innaccessible to kids anyway since it is such a long hike back in there and fairly remote.

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    I'm no expert on these things, but Adam is hinting at the right direction here, I would also add that one of the mandates for the Park Service is to protect and enhance "native" species. Therefore, the only option would be Char. As for the beetle, it's brought in to prevent a native from going extinct.

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    I don't think TWRA would look to happily on illegal stocking.


    70-2-212. Stocking of wildlife — Inspections — Charges. —


    (a) Stocking of wildlife is declared to be a prerogative of the state. All persons desiring to stock wildlife shall first obtain a permit from the executive director....

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    Thanks, Adam & Hans. Good info.

    Having worked in Kingsport many years, I got spoiled by living within reasonable driving and hiking access to some beautiful wild and stocked trout streams in the Greene, Unicoi & Carter county areas of the CNF. I didn't discover fly fishing until my children were adults. My grandchildren are getting old enough to perhaps take to the sport, but they live to the west of the Smokies. Tellico and Citico are not really the answer. The Blackberry Farm type fishing is a bit too pricey for me. I guess that leaves the Crosseyed Cricket and other trout farms, but I don't think they much cater to fly fishermen.

    My son and his boys and I are going to the WNC Flyfishing Expo tomorrow. From that I hope they really get the itch to try the sport. Given all the other things out there trying to woo our young people, that would be a good problem to have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeFred View Post
    The very lightly fished Hesse Creek drainage empties into the Little River well outside the GSMN Park downstream of Townsend. Only small stretches of the remote watershed streams hold wild trout. Just for the sake of discussion... let’s say the National Park Service would consider stocking the Hesse Creek drainage in the Park.
    What regulations could be put in place whereby young, typically impatient anglers could actually experience catching a trout? in the Smoky Mountains? where bears live ? (Obviously bait fishing should be prohibited as elsewhere).

    What access improvements could be made with minimal effect on the environment? (Park-sanctioned Jeep shuttles for example?)

    What access restrictions should be considered? (Special permit issued by shuttle operator perhaps?)
    JF
    I haven't walked the entire section of this stream because of the most serious no tresspassing signs of Blackberry (only park section & below Blackberry). Jo if you got the money - from what I here it's already one of the best stocked streams near the Smokies. I just cant afford to pay high dollar for big stockers although I'm sure it's fun. I bought the Cherokeee Fly fishing section yearly permit a couple years back and only managed to make it up there once that year so I guess it's not my kind of fishing. If I want the big ones I just make the drive to the SoHo

    As for stocking the lower section, it might not do well. Flows get very low, and since the water is far from the Springs at Blackberry water temp would most likely be a factor. Might work as a winter stocking, but stream features don't look all that trouty to me. Have you checked this out in person, or just glancing from a map?

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    Quote Originally Posted by duckypaddler View Post
    ...As for stocking the lower section, it might not do well. Flows get very low, and since the water is far from the Springs at Blackberry water temp would most likely be a factor. Might work as a winter stocking, but stream features don't look all that trouty to me. Have you checked this out in person, or just glancing from a map?...
    Thanks, duckypaddler. I have not gotten to visit the watershed. Just got what I know mostly from Crockett's and your posts. Sounds as though these streams are gonna mostly serve as great sights and sounds for hikers and campers.

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    the water at blackberry gets dangerously close to 70 during the summer. I could have sworn someone (not the park service itself) stocked that little creek full f monster rainbows (near twin ceeks visitor center) and let the little kiddies clean em out. This was in 2006 when i was working for the park service, im not sure though, maybe i made the whole thing up. I wanna say i even saw the kids out there slingin snoopy poles, its amazing what you can forget in four years...

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