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    Fished the PO on the Clinch today and saw two different fellows killing several slot fish.... one cleaned, beheaded and gutted down river from the launch and Shawn took pictures. Perhaps he will post them here. One was a good sized rainbow head the other was the guts from a brown with eggs.

    I have about had it with TWRA.... do they exist? What sense is there having "rules" if they can be easily and blatantly violated?

    Isn't it against the law to disfigure a fish to make it difficult to determine it's length? Why are there not a bunch of large "interpretive signs" alomg the river so idiots who cannot read the law book have some idea as to the fines? Guess the chances of getting busted are zero.

    These gutted fish would be so easily hidden in the boats used by the lawbreakers that I'm certain TWRA would not easily have found them.

    The game wardens in Maine were totally committed to catching fish & game thieves and the penalties there were extremely pricey. Maine Wardens actually work weekends and get "comp time" for week days off duty.

    My catch today was a bunch of small bows none over 9 inches, some as small as six.... does anyone know if these were recently stocked fish or might they be naturally produced?

    Saw no stripers today; only sinners

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    Can they be everywhere at once? If I see them on the river on a regular basis and they respond to me when I send pics in of things like you mention, then I have to say they are doing their job. It would help if you followed those guys and got some pics of license plates and vehicles.

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    Here we go again.

    If you want it to stop either say something or call TWRA.

    If you saw someone breaking into your neighbors house would you simply look the other way?

    Please don't just come here whining when you could have done something to help.
    Last edited by waterwolf; 09-16-2012 at 07:53 AM.

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    I was too far away to accurately gauge their creel. Also; I really did not want to chase people down to inspect their takes. However; if I were closer and in contact; I would have politely mentioned the creel and tried to guide them straight going forward.
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    The bottom line is that regulations are worthless without enforcement.Period. Enforcement, like it or not starts with the law abiding anglers paying attention. We all understand that there are not enough TWRA personnel to be everywhere at once. Confrontation is not really the way to go here, but at least report it to the authorities. I fished the Hiwassee a lot for years, and I saw a lot of poachers in the trophy section at that time. I would watch from a distance and eventually let them know I was there. This was mostly before I had a cell phone, but I would always call TWRA AND REPORT IT!! I look forward to this time of year to fish some of the DH streams in North Carolina, but the past few years it seems that the poachers have had there way with it and it's sort of lost its appeal to me. Badges? We don't need no stinkin badges. just make a phone call and let someone know it's happening.....

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    Blue Raider...don' t you mostly fish the Caney? The Clinch goes unpoliced. Every poacher for three states goes there! Why our boys are over on Norris with jet skis watching the pretty girls from Ohio riding around in their ski boats and not worrying about some stinky fisherman keeping slot fish.

    The wardens in Maine did have pride in their resources, these guys, I'm not so sure they care about the Clinch. How else does a guy fish there for over 25 years and NEVER get checked?

    I wish TN would do what happened to my father in PA when I was a kid. We were visiting PA and of course my Dad didn't buy a license and was fishing. Rules were not made for him by the way. Anyway an undercover warden that was fishing as the time saw him do something wrong and he got caught, fined, and it was a huge mess. Made a lasting impression on me! It would be great to have a warden be able to fish and work at the same time on the tailwaters here in TN. Once that word got out this BS would stop. Maybe add a $2.00 surcharge/tax to fish tailwaters like migratory birds to pay for some warden to work and fish on Saturdays. Just to see these bums busted I would pay $50 bucks for the entertainment. So yeah, my Dad was a bum too for fishing without a license at the time before anyone chimes in.
    I am a great admirer of spectator sports, especially on television; it keeps the riffraff off the trout streams.

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    I agree with the "report them if ya see them" part. One other thing to consider, let's say they write me a $200 ticket for not having a life jacket, if they don't show up for court, the judge will probably toss it, if they do show, they'll collect less than $20 for the fine with the rest going to court cost, in the meantime, the poachers probably know the court dates(go figure) & that's when they go fishing.
    A warden on one stream i fish has told me if i see something really, really, really breaking the law to call him, otherwise, if he goes to court over a few fish over the limit, or one to big or small, it's another day he won't be patrolling
    Heck, maybe ya'll will get lucky & have a few canoe/kayak rental places open up there, the poachers can take a backseat to that mayhem.

    Grumpy

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    Can't expect an agency with so many responsibilities, and streched so thin to be everywhere at once. Just like you can't expect the police to sit around your neighborhood making sure houses aren't getting broken into.

    No need to confront anyone, just call the hotline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grannyknot View Post
    Can't expect an agency with so many responsibilities, and streched so thin to be everywhere at once. Just like you can't expect the police to sit around your neighborhood making sure houses aren't getting broken into.

    No need to confront anyone, just call the hotline.
    That's the problem in a nutshell, TWRA needs to find a way to have more officers on the heavier used waters in the state, even then, they can't be everywhere.

    Grumpy

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    "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

    Same is true for poachers. If everytime you see someone breaking the regs, or it looks like they are breaking the regs, and you don't do anything, like ask, inform, or call, because you are either, too interested in your own fishing to stop what you are doing, or too passive - you are contributing to their poaching indirectly by enabling future bad behavior. At least calling doesn't require actual confrontation, and I don't think you need to approach someone with guns drawn and a lynch mob to make a difference.

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