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    As a matter of information a biologist who has done entomological identification in more detail than anyone for a span of about thirty plus years on the Clinch has never found any BWO in any stage on the Clinch in any of his sample points on the tailwater. This is evidence based on insects "keyed " under magnification of adult stage. That is the only way to correctly ID a species. mAny

    Many people talk about BWO ( and some even publish hatch charts showing BWO )in Clinch tailwater but scientific evidence does not support the BWO presence in the tailwater below Norris dam Fwiw.
    Last edited by Joe Congleton; 09-18-2012 at 09:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Congleton View Post
    As a matter of information a biologist who has done entomological identification in more detail than anyone for a span of about thirty plus years on the Clinch has never found any BWO in any stage on the Clinch in any of his sample points on the tailwater. This is evidence based on insects "keyed " under magnification of adult stage. That is the only way to correctly ID a species. mAny

    Many people talk about BWO ( and some even publish hatch charts showing BWO )in Clinch tailwater but scientific evidence does not support the BWO presence in the tailwater below Norris dam Fwiw.
    I have witnessed BWOs on the Clinch and they are rare. I respect the conclusion and clarity that an educated biologist can add to keying bugs. However; it is imperative to sample the river often and during all the different climate patterns on the river to truly have a clear view of the bug diversity. Additionally; I have reviewed many of the sample reports from biologists and the sample dates range from months to years. Clearly indicating huge voids of time that may have different species hatching.

    To hear a true biologist or scientist say NEVER or NOT would surprise me as it would be unsuitable to the ideal of science. Most would say have not been documented or supported as of yet.
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    Rule 4 - dont shoot the measenger.

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    I say we go get some nymphs from the S. Holston and plant them in the lower Clinch! I would look forward to BWO's hatching on some cold cloudy day by the thousands about 10 years from now! HA
    I am a great admirer of spectator sports, especially on television; it keeps the riffraff off the trout streams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat Fly n View Post
    I say we go get some nymphs from the S. Holston and plant them in the lower Clinch! I would look forward to BWO's hatching on some cold cloudy day by the thousands about 10 years from now! HA
    You got that right Homey!

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    Default slow down boys

    I'm still stuck on the "Cockeyed Valdez" c.d.c. crane fly imitation. Will you be applying for a patent for that ? Will I become famous like Waterwolf ?
    c.v.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat Fly n View Post
    I say we go get some nymphs from the S. Holston and plant them in the lower Clinch! I would look forward to BWO's hatching on some cold cloudy day by the thousands about 10 years from now! HA
    If the habitat was right they would be here, it is not and they aren't
    Quote Originally Posted by cockeye valdez View Post
    I'm still stuck on the "Cockeyed Valdez" c.d.c. crane fly imitation. Will you be applying for a patent for that ? Will I become famous like Waterwolf ?
    c.v.
    going to have to do a lot to reach my standing. A decade in a fly shop, another 8 as a guide, an outspoken ***, boyish charm, and rapier wit will help.

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    Habitat for bugs?

    The soho has bugs the Clinch does not have because the soho tailwater got them from streams nearby.

    I like Flat's idea; but we would need to collect zillions of them and I bet it is not against the law either!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corbo View Post
    Habitat for bugs?

    The soho has bugs the Clinch does not have because the soho tailwater got them from streams nearby.

    I like Flat's idea; but we would need to collect zillions of them and I bet it is not against the law either!
    This is biology 101, if the habitat is conducive and inside a species natural range the species will exist unless eliminated by extreme circumstances. Literarily taken from an intro to biology text book.

    Flat's idea sounds good in theory, but won't work, and habitat is just one of the issues.

    Please elaborate on all these tribs to the South Holston?

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    Good theory there Wolfie, but, there weren't any trout in the Clinch until TWRA put them there. They wouldn't just show up from Melton Hill even if the conditions were correct. There is not one cutthroat trout in that river BUT the conditions are right for that species to exist there.

    Now a long story I heard many years ago (back from the 80's)is that a bunch of old fart fly guys transplanted sulphurs into the Clinch as well...true, I don't know, but it would be a blast to try it. What's it going to hurt? Fish part of the day, turn rocks over, shake em into buckets and drive back to K'town and dump them. It's not like your introducing a harmful species into a macrosystem anyway. pH, temp, food source, and O2, what more can you want?

    After we are long gone someone would be having a blast on some crappy weather days.
    I am a great admirer of spectator sports, especially on television; it keeps the riffraff off the trout streams.

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