I was thinking that if it was a floater that anyone used, I might try tying some parachutes. Doesn't seem to be getting a lot of votes as a dry. Thank you for your response Mr. Paddler. You re right (as usual) about the magazine article. Don K. started this thread and I was just trying to poke him some to finish it with some useful information. Fishin is slow around here and I have read all his books.