I am tying some GW like the one lro sells, but can't seem to find the right hook with the correct shank length. The hooks i have been using for wooly buggers have a longer shank. The chennel (now you know why Gaintfish can't spell ) I have is like one size larger. This is an easy beginner fly that gaintfish can cut his teeth tying. Plus the those fly eating trees ate several last year, so I need several to keep the tree gods happy.