Bill, I didn't know you were on here. I guess you will start working at the shop soon. I have a Renzetti and a Dyna King. I like and tie on both. My Dyna King allows me to tie with the head vertical. Great for large streamers. Both are beautiful to me and that's important. The Renzetti holds a hook very well and I love it but I don't use the rotary feature. Lily and Andy Renzetti were here for a fly tying event that we held at the shop and I was tying on a Dyna King because it works best for trimming Puglisi patterns. After I explained why, Lily and I remained friends. The Renzetti's are fine people who build their tools in Titusville, Florida. Our best selling vise is the Renzetti Traveler. Great vise for the money. Dyna King is another excellent small company in California. They are nice people who build excellent tools. I also like HMH and the Regal though I don't own either. The two I have will serve me for the rest of my life.