The buggers are commercial as I don't tie at all. Don't know the length of the hook. Had to go to a size 6 this weekend untill next shipment arrives. Caught good fish on the size 6 but not as many fish as on the 8. May have to go with a bigger leader cause I got broke off on 5x more than once. I felt the rod shake like you hit it with a stick or something, no tug , or hit; just a real hard smash and grab job. Black with silver flashing is working to. There hasn't been any shad kill coming through for the last two weeks, but when the water rises the fish expect them to be there, so you need to be there!