I sold my Heddon #17 Black Beauties today--I had all the lengths plus original tubes etc,--can't say I ever casted any of them --what's the deal with heddon #17's--they looked strictly middle of the road in quality and finish--I wish I had a hundred of them because they sell.the shorter one's seem to be more valuable.I think black beauty bamboo's were sold primarily by hardware stores.They were not considered to be one of Heddon's upper echelon rods were they?made enough to pay Babb for the cumberland river special 8wt bamboo rod,that'al be ready soon---