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Old 11-14-2009, 07:49 PM
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Just curious, We have seen a lot of talk about stream size and elevation. In your opinion, what would be considered a small or medium to larger stream. What about elevation? How high is high? We are somewhat familiar with greenbriar, elkmont, thunderhead above the first footbridge past the parking area. metcalf bottom, chimney tops. We were just curious as to what we should consider looking at when you guys start talking about low elevation, small versus larger streams. any info would be greatly appreciated!! Thanks a bunch, flyguys.
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Old 11-14-2009, 08:43 PM
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My interpretation of your question for the Smokies.

High elevation - anything over 3,000 ft. In the area of Chimney's trailhead and above qualifies.

Large river: East Prong of Little River (ironic), Abrams Creek, probably West Prong of the Little Pigeon
Medium river: Middle Prong of Little River
Small river: Road Prong, Thunderhead, West Prong of Little River, Laurel Creek, Anthony's Creek

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Old 11-14-2009, 09:09 PM
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thanks charlie b!!
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Old 11-20-2009, 07:17 AM
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flyguys... I agree with Charlie's examples. In addition, Park flyfishing books classify numerous streams by size as well as room (or lack of it) for casting. Some of the maps at www.smokystreams.com/freebies show points at which streams are at 2000, 3000, 4000, etc. feet elevation. USGS quadrangle maps show more topo detail.

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Old 11-20-2009, 08:18 AM
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Two books that come to mind are Flyfishing guide to the graet smoky mountans and smoky mountains trout fishing guide. Both books are by Don Kirk. They list streams and lakes by fishing quality, size and accessibility. I believe LRO carries these books or could at least get them for you. Me not liveing up there these books help me when I am wanting to plan a trip SO I know what to expect instead of just getting there and riding around looking for accessibly water, and what to bring in relations to what size stream I might be fishing. JIm cascada has a new book out and my wife bought it for me and put it up till christmas. I have not got to read it yet but that might be another great resource.
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Old 11-20-2009, 08:28 AM
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Thanks joefred and flyred! Not wanting to be a bother, but being a newbie to mountain trout fishing I'm trying to get my hands on as much info as possible. The smokystreams maps are awesome by the way, a lot of information to set around and look at while passing a cold west tn night! Can't wait for a spring or summer trip. Thanks guys! flyguys.
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... JIm cascada has a new book out and my wife bought it for me and put it up till christmas. I have not got to read it yet but that might be another great resource.
flyred, she what!!?? She put it up till Christmas!?!?!? Talk about the gift of being longsuffering!!

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Old 11-20-2009, 07:17 PM
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flyguys--I haven't read the other postings in reply, and that's intentional. I'll look to see what others think after I respond.
On size, I consider widths of 15-25 feet medium-sized and anything above that a large stream (by Smokies' standards).
As for elevation, the magic number for me is 3500 feet. Above that I consider a stream to be high elevation, and the number is also a pretty good arbitrary figure for where you'll likely begin to find specks. Obviously that's a generalization, but it covers a lot of situations. Jim Casada
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Mr. Casada, Thanks for the information! I'm sure it will come in handy on my next trip to the smokies. Thanks, flyguys.
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I was talking to Ian Rutter last year at the fly fishing show in Cincinnati, and he said that 2400' was kind of the magic level for trout in the smokies, from there on up you can usually catch trout in the summer. I would keep an altimeter in my car and would usually not fish a stream until I was above that level. You don't realize how much elevation you gain when driving into Greenbrier, about 1000' at the entrance, about 1800' at porters creek, about 2500' at Ramsey trailhead, and about 4500' at the cascades.
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