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Old 12-15-2009, 07:31 PM
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Seems to be very similar to high sticking with nymphs here.
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Old 12-15-2009, 09:40 PM
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That is what I was thinking. I tied up a few in various sizes that I plan to try tomorrow. I watched some online videos about the czech technique and it was basically high sticking to me(which I do occasionally.........and poorly). I may high stick wit them a little, but I am going to put them behind some splitshot first. The videos showed people fishing three flies. That is begging for me to get in some horrible tangled messes. I will stick with two
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Old 12-15-2009, 10:18 PM
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Fellas,
The techniques used in Czech Nymphing in Europe are a little different than our methods of high stickin with nymphs in the Smokies. The way the flies are attached is one thing and the number of flies is another. Each of these techniques can be compromised a little and still be successful.
The best Czech Nymphing is done in somewhat high water conditions and lots of weight is used to get the flies right onto the bottom. The flies are not exactly dead drifted, but lead with a slight amount of tension on the line.. Most of the fishing would be done in the upper parts of a heavy run and constant slow leading of the flies is kept so that a strike can be felt through the line and up the rod to the hand. This is different from dead drifting where we watch the leader or the end of the flyline to detect strikes. Conditions are pretty good for this type of fishing now and up through late March or when we come to the end of high water. You have got to have a pretty strong flow to keep the flies from hanging up very frequently. They will be bumping the bottom all of the time. High Stickin with nymphs and Czech Nymphing can both be productive, but my favorite is Tandem rig nymph fishing in the Park.
Good luck when you try, it and let us know how you do.
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Old 12-15-2009, 10:54 PM
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Can't do it in the park. Not certain about the rest of the state. Too many hooks, so it would be illegal in the park. I may try a similar rig though, just to see if it is more productive, but only with two nymphs.
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Old 12-16-2009, 08:47 AM
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Hugh--Do you (or anyone with long experience on mountain streams) by chance recall any old-timers who fished what were, in my boyhood, called "three-fly casts." This involved tandem-rigged wet flies (most often Yellarhammers or the wet fly form of the Royal Coachman) fished using a quite short cast (15 or 20 feet). Sometimes, but not always, the flies were attached to the main leader by dropper lines of a few inches. I recall seeing the technique used fairly often, and I know it was highly effective. Alas, I did not pay as much attention to the rigging as I should have, since at the time I was almost entirely a dry fly fisherman.
From what I remember, especially in terms of watching old fellows who used this technique, it sounds a lot like the Czech approach.
I did watch a guy use it on the Nantahala River perhaps a decade ago, and he was catching trout like nobody's business.
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Old 12-16-2009, 10:19 AM
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Good morning Jim, and Merry Christmas to you and everyone on the board,
Jim, I was 10 years old when I began flyfishing and I was taught to use wet flies such as Grey Hackle Peacock, Brown Hackle Peacock, Black Gnats, and Yallerhammers. We used these flies individually or in tandem and they were tied with catgut leaders and shortly afterwards we began to use Eagle Claw tippet material. I used to see old timers using the 2-3 fly techniques but they had cane poles and just mainly lobbed their flies into the top part of a plunge pool with no more than 15 feet of line. They were very successful. I was just too young to understand how these flies were attached onto the line, but at about 13- 15 years of age I began fishing with a fellow named Bud Baxter and he taught me how to fish tandem rigged weighted nymphs. Apparently 2 flies had become the legal limit to use in the Park by then and that was the method that I fished for the next 35-40 years. I very rarely fished dry flies until about 15 years ago. Long, long ago I realized that weighted nymphs would produce larger fish and I just stuck with it. About 11-12 years ago I began experimenting with an old mountain Nymph called the Smoky Mountain Blackbird and I turned it into a wet emerger pattern. It paired well with a nymph tied in above it and has been my best selection that I have ever used in the Park. I rarely ever use 3 flies in the mountain streams outside of the Park, but I do use this setup quite frequently on tailwaters. It brings back lots of memories of times gone by.
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Old 12-16-2009, 11:38 AM
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I am definitely buying Mr. Casada's book for my birthday. Was wondering if you had written a book Mr. Hartsell? I think I asked you this before, but I don't remember the answer!

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Old 12-16-2009, 12:46 PM
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Hugh--First of all, your Christmas greetings to one and all on the forum are warmly reciprocated. Thanks, and a fair amount of what you describe coincides with my memories. That includes use of cane poles, although the best "hand" I knew for tandem nymphing was a Park ranger who used a fly rod, Buford Messer. He may well have tipped his flies with bait (lots of local lore suggests he would remove the eyes of the first trout he caught and put them on his wet fly or nymph), but he could flat-out catch big trout. I never saw him make a real cast. He just sort of flipped/roll cast then kep his rod tip high and his line tight.
Your mention of a black gnat pattern certainly rings true. It was a favorite on the N. C. side. Thanks for sharing the memories, and I hope we can meet at talk at Troutfest.
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Old 12-20-2009, 10:10 PM
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Hey BlueRaiderFan,

There are several ways to high stick, some of which are identical to the "Czech" technique. When I was being "learnt" how to fish in the late 70's, there were at least 3 "masters' who were in their 60's that used the technique. They never used anything smaller than a size eight and were very adept at catching large browns. I was fortunate to fish with them before they hung up their rods. Depending on the situation, I use the technique occasionally. I remember one of them explaining to me that it drew more strikes vs a dead drift because it triggered the "chase" response from feeding trout as well as reducing bottom snags. My fondest memory is my dad using it on Deep Creek one July 4th many years ago. He caught over 50 browns that day.

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