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Old 11-16-2013, 12:00 AM
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Default Which flies can I tie using Woodchuck?

Several months ago, I got to watch Mr. Walter Babb tie up some flies for about half the day. And he mentioned that the "old timers" used whatever tying materials they had available (yellar hammer feathers, squirrel, chicken feather, pheasant feathers from ladies Sunday hats, and woodchuck/groundhog). I found a place that sold Woodchuck (or Groundhog) skins and bought a whole skin and now I've got enough Woodchuck to tie with for probably the rest of my life.

My problem is that I don't know which flies in the Smoky Mountains you can use woodchuck on. I think Walter used woodchuck as a tailing material but I can't remember on what fly or flies. Any ideas on which flies I can use woodchuck fibers on would be appreciated. Thanks. Harry Crabtree
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Old 11-16-2013, 01:18 AM
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You could use it as dubbing and make all kinds of flies such as buggers, many caddis patterns, flymphs.....as recently as a year ago I thought I would never use dubbing, now I use all the time.

If some of the hairs are longer, you might could make some small streamers?
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Thanks Slider. That would work and I haven't normally kept any of the underfur on any hair. Maybe I shouldn't have been throwing that stuff away!
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Old 11-16-2013, 09:33 AM
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You can use the guard hairs for caddis wings. Check out the Chuck Caddis which is a pattern that has been around a long time.
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Old 11-16-2013, 09:55 AM
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Here is a link to more uses.
http://globalflyfisher.com/patterns/woodchuck/
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Old 11-16-2013, 11:09 AM
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Get a fur rake and use that under fur, that is some awesome dubbing. There are some old patterns that will specify fur from different sections of the hide. Such as belly fur because it is lighter then the back fur. You can also mix it with other materials to give yourself some custom blends.
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Old 11-16-2013, 02:05 PM
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First you need to determine how much wood would the woodchuck chuck if the woodchuck could chuck wood.That will give you the number of patterns that will be produced from the material used. Sorry couldn't resist.
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Old 11-17-2013, 07:58 AM
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Get a fur rake and use that under fur, that is some awesome dubbing. There are some old patterns that will specify fur from different sections of the hide. Such as belly fur because it is lighter then the back fur. You can also mix it with other materials to give yourself some custom blends.
Narcodog, didn't realize that there were differences in groundhog hair based on what part of the body it came from (belly, back, etc) but will have to pay attention to that! I should have known that though cause calf tail is coarse and calf belly is fine, etc. etc. And I'll start putting that underfur in a zip lock bag for dubbing and dubbing mixes. I could call my dubbing mix GroundNarcodog or just Grounddog for short!
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Thanks Silvercreek. That link had some great ideas and photos for flies using woodchuck. I appreciate it. And it sounds like we are just rediscovering something in fly tying that has been used effectively for years. Old wise Solomon was right again wasn't he? The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. Ecclesiastes 1:9. Didn't want to sound preachy but thought this was appropriate. Harry Crabtree
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