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Old 09-22-2012, 05:00 AM
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Jim,
You were mean to Phil and you spelled "educated" wrong in one of your posts on this thread.
We enjoy being "inane" and catchin big ones!

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Old 09-22-2012, 07:41 AM
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I've been following this thread with interest, being told 1,000 times that there is no reproduction on the Caney Fork here near Nashville. Yet, no one can explain 1-2" fry that we've seen in the river.
Like the Clinch, the flows on the Caney aren't in the favor of a spawn, however, the feeder creeks that dump into the river are.
I've never been given an answer on the small fry that we've found, my High School education & what little i do know about the spawn tells me there is some positive results though.
The way i look at it, if 10 wild fish survive a spawn & avoid being fried or grilled, the river is a better place.

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Old 09-22-2012, 09:26 AM
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You seeing rainbow or brown fry? Byron in a post or in his fishing report said that when he lived in the area and fished the Caney, he also saw fry in the feeder streams. I would not be surprised to see brown trout fry. There is some decent gravel in the Caney and with the constant 250cfs it stays underwater. I doubt there will ever be a sustained population though.
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Old 09-22-2012, 10:22 AM
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When the five man working group drafted the economic analysis for Riverine Alternatives to Tellico Dam we were tasked with creating suggestions for improving the Little T tailwater -- and told to use our imagination. I suggested that a spawning channel be constucted below Chilhowee Dam and in the process of discussing this it was noted that the Clinch could be improved by constructing a similar channel below Norris dam. Shallow , wide, optimal spawning flows at spawning times, overhead fenced and predator protected. Then managed for fry protection until fry moved to river naturally or otherwise. Basically diverting cleAr creek fish to a biologically welcoming home.

Frankly if the GAO Fish and Wildlife funding issues are not addressed successfully the spawning channel concept could come to be a viable alternative to improving fish counts in the river. Tva owns the land where the channels would be constructed and a relatively small amount of water is all that qould required to cover the channel.

There is already an enormous amount of spawning gravel stretches in the river and some fish appear to be successfully spawning there. In the really big picture however our claims of spawning fish could be thrown in our face as an excuse by TVA not to undertake the nearly one million dollar annual contribution for hatchery costs that FWS may no lomger make--theory being hatchery unnecessary if fish are surviving naturally.

There is not much question that the entire hatchery funding issue is the most critical issue facing all of us in Tenn that love the tailwater trout fishing. Not poaching ,water quality, or minimum flows. It will dramtically affect the trout world and fishing we currently enjoy. TU leaders and TWRA are trying to respond to this threat but it is a very complicated issue on political and legal fronts. "mitigation' is not a term that TVA appreciates at this time.
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Old 09-22-2012, 03:25 PM
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Jim,
You were mean to Phil and you spelled "educated" wrong in one of your posts on this thread.
We enjoy being "inane" and catchin big ones!

4X aka Dr. Staab
I went back and read my posts and never found anything mean, maybe I missed it and being mean to Phil would never cross my mind.

I have known Phil for 15 years, **** I even house sat for him eons ago. I would hope he knows me well enough to know I wouldn't be nasty towards him. We share a difference of opinion which is no different than a lot of folks.

As for the misspelling, oh well we can't all be perfect I guess. By the way, I never catch any big ones, lmao. I guess you are he only one
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Old 09-22-2012, 04:07 PM
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Waterwolf,

I know that this is not the the right place for this but since there are no pm's I didn't know how to contact you. I have been reading some of the past forums and I had a question for you about fishing the upper clinch above the lake. If you could contact me at fishingpro06 at aol dot com I would greatly appreciate it.

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Old 09-24-2012, 07:44 AM
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There is not much question that the entire hatchery funding issue is the most critical issue facing all of us in Tenn that love the tailwater trout fishing. Not poaching ,water quality, or minimum flows. It will dramtically affect the trout world and fishing we currently enjoy. TU leaders and TWRA are trying to respond to this threat but it is a very complicated issue on political and legal fronts. "mitigation' is not a term that TVA appreciates at this time.
I agree Joe! We all need to continue discussing these issues and voice our opinions to representatives and in the voting booths. No matter what; we all share a similar passion whether we disagree or agree on posts. That passion needs to be protected and funded appropriately. The costs of rehabilitation will be ten times the cost of maintenance.
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Old 09-24-2012, 08:24 PM
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Gentlemen of this forum and Waterwolf,
I guess you see nothing wrong with this statement from the guy who continues to call "TWRA idiots and to grow some *****(gonads, Paula said not to say that word)" from previous posts...

WW, you said to me ......"So make your case, and stop with the inane attempts to be funny. Man up and make your case."

Man up? Young man, you don't know me enough to publicly over the internet tell me to "man up". When someone can stay married for greater than 30 years, hold a job for over 25 years with his group in a high stress high risk operations, as well as publish numerous papers, the later to be released this week don't tell me to "man up". I have raised a family and paid for my education without a DIME from my high school educated parents so you have no right to tell me to MAN UP over a freaking joke about whether or not spawing is going on in the Clinch. No trust funds for me! You then attempted to try and goad me into an answer on the difference of the Clinch vs S. Holston so I can be shot down by someone acting as a professor without a scientific basis.

Everyone is wrong about this river, and trout fisheries in general except for you. My beef is there is no enforcement, your beef is with everyone at TWRA and everyone that disagrees with you. If I had a dollar for everytime someone from TWRA was called an idiot either on here or tndeer.com, I would have a cabin on the Big Horn bought and paid by you. you even argued and corrected FourX when he mentioned he liked Seaguar tippet recently.... WTF does it matter what he likes, why try to correct a guy that cathches some really nice fish what is better?

Write whatever reply you wish and enjoy your podium professor, I'm dropping your class and won't return.
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:58 PM
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I think I was pretty clear in my post above, and will leave it at that.

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Old 09-25-2012, 06:54 AM
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Fellas, Fellas, Fellas.... since we are having another pissing contest might I mention that the trout I catch on the Clinch are so humungous I now cast a 12 weight?

Geezum; it's a fishing forum.... go soak in some cold water and chill out.
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