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Old 03-03-2010, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Knothead View Post
The federal government classified any firearm under 14 inches as concealable. This was according to the BATF booklet I had when a gunsmith. Does anyone have the latest booklet? Your local gun shop would have one, if someone will ask for the information as what defines a pistol.
When I lived in Kentucky, '74-'82, I asked a deputy sheriff about a concealed weapon. He told me that I could carry a handgun in my vehicle in plain sight. If I covered it with a jacket, newspaper, etc., then it became a concealed weapon.
In '82, that may be correct, but in Kentucky now, one is legally allowed to carry a firearm in the glove box of their automobile even if they do not have a concealed carry permit. I'm not sure about having it covered by a jacket on the seat.

I have a concealed carry permit so I'm covered regardless. However, some states (Ohio for example) say the firearm must be on one's person (i.e. in a holster) and in the glove box is a violation of state law.

It's a messy patchwork.

Your best bet is to get a valid permit from your home state, and carry the firearm in a holster concealed upon your person.

While I would feel much better with my .45acp, it's not a very easy firearm to carry totally concealed. That is why I opted for a 2" barrel Smith & Wesson J frame in .357mag caliber as my carry firearm.

The recoil is "stout" and it's not a very fun firearm to shoot. After 15 or so rounds at the range with full mag loads, I've had about enough fun for the day. Most of my range time with this firearm is with 38spl target loads. I probably run less than 100 full mag loads a year thorugh it. That is just to keep my proficiency with the arm up to snuff. I shoot in the neighborhood of 1,000 rounds of 38 spl rounds on a given year through the firearm while at the firing range.

My .45acp sees over 3,000 rounds on any given year

While one may not need to shoot as much as I do, if a person has a concealed carry permit, I believe they should put in enough range time to feel comfortable with the firearm. At a very minimum, you should practice to the point where you can keep 10 out of 10 shots inside a paper plate at 21 feet (7 yards). Even better, all 10 shots should be able to be covered by the palm of your hand.

Dedicated target firearms can do much better (1 big hole at that range) but most concealed carry type self defense firearms have poor fixed sights, short barrels, fairly stout recoil due to the light weight which results in a 1" - 2" group at 7 yards is a pretty decent day shooting for most of us.

Also, always wear eye protection while shooting and don't do as I did in my younger years and skip the ear protection. ALWAYS wear proper ear protection while at the range. I can assure you that you don't want to end up with the kind of hearing loss I suffer nor do you want the constant companion I have of a ringing in my ears (that is about the A# note on my guitar, at least I can use my buddy the "ear ringing" for something useful while tuning a guitar).

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Old 03-06-2010, 02:01 AM
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There have been times that I wished that I would have had my gun with me, but in these times you never know what might happen. The only time that I have ever had to even show my gun was when I was going to a football game in Knoxville. I was traveling at night to go and stay with a friend and I had to make a so called "Pit Stop". Being around 11:30 at night, I stopped at the last rest stop on I 81 before it merges into I 40. This was a mistake but when ya gotta go ya gotta go. I went into the restroom and there was absolutley no one around that I could see. After being in for a minute I heard the door open and then there was someone right next to me. This guy was most likely one of those that their "door swings the wrong way" but I hurried up and took of bussiness and left. As I was sitting the car looking for somethhing, this wacko came up to the door and tried to open it and get in. I reached quickley under my jacket and grabbed by Colt Government Model 45 and held it where he could see it. When he saw it, he made like horse s#@t and hit the trail and left. I can only imagine what he was looking to do and I am thankfull that I had my gun with me. A lot of times all you have to do is let the thug or whatever know that you do have a gun and they will not bother you.
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Old 03-07-2010, 05:23 PM
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Great story cb76, I am glad that your firearm saved you from who knows what. It does also illustrate the point that criminals will always look for an easy mark, and just the fact that you were armed was enough.

Other things that tend to do the same thing is watching your surroundings, paying attention is a critical way to show anyone looking that you are not an easy mark.

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Old 03-08-2010, 04:10 AM
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I'm pleasantly surprised to see the content of most of the posts here. As someone who carries daily, it always amazes me that people equate gun ownership/carry with crime. While it's true that some criminals have guns, the following is hardly ever true:

1. The criminal has a license/permit for the weapon.
2. The criminal wouldn't commit the crime if unarmed.
3. The criminal couldn't break-in/steal/attack/rob/kidnap without a firearm.
4. The criminal wouldn't think twice if the victim was armed and commit the crime anyway.

The idea of letting the owners of the Park( that's We the People, FYI) legally carry firearms inside our National Parks is long overdue. As for the change, as recent history has shown, if people are angry at the government, they don't have to go inside a federal building to show that anger and harm other people. You still cannot carry your firearm into any building on National Park land, so when camping at Elkmont you'll need to lock your firearm in your car to make your way to the bathroom - even though it makes no sense at all. ( It's the federal government, what did you expect - something totally sensible? ) The only thing prohibiting law-abiding citizens from carrying their weapons does is make more of those "gun free zones" where criminals know they stand less of a chance of being shot if they try their game inside those areas.

btw - if a bear attacks me I will kill it. I have the range time and the handgun capable of doing so. They are not super-beasts and one or two rounds into the head should do it. Just for safety's sake, I carry 12 rounds of .40 hollow point. I will not hesitate to kill boo-boo if he decides to attack me and I will not regret doing it. Saving a bear's life is not my priority. Saving my own life, or that of a family member is...

That said, I predict that some idiot will kill a snake, bear or other human being without reason within 2 years. Sadly, there are people out there that have a hard time with common sense.
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Old 03-08-2010, 04:22 AM
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