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Old 05-04-2011, 12:46 PM
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I would rather see the State of TN take over Erwin in the event of Federal Funding Failure and in the grand scheme of things would prefer TN in control than the Feds.

Funny thing.... up in Maine there are many private hatcheries that supply trout and salmon for the aquaculture industry that raises fish in pens on the coast. These privately owned hatcheries produce fish at a fraction of the cost of fish grown by the State of Maine.
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Old 05-04-2011, 12:47 PM
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Politicians are puppets, dangling from the strings of their emperor masters, who make them move and animate them. They speak but the voice is not theirs. They are made of wood, their ears do not hear. Their eyes do not see. They only say what the man behind the curtain tells them to say. Their lips move, but no truth comes from them.

They are choreographed to say what you want to hear and do slight of hand moves to trick you, all the while their hands are in your pockets, robbing what is not rightfully theirs.

They benefit from their thievery in percentage. The masters take most. When they get all they can get, the show will end, the puppets discarded, lifeless, and you will be their new subjects, penniless and poor, having lost all, but only if you're lucky.

It has happened again and again and again, over the centuries, but still we do not learn! Still, we do not remember! God help us!
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Old 05-04-2011, 03:55 PM
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1.3 billion in aid to Pakistan every year. Tell me anyone how it's helping an east Tennessean out of work. It's time everyone in this country wakes up.
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Old 05-04-2011, 05:39 PM
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I'm not, the feds have no business spending money on hatcheries. Just the same as they have no business spending money on healthcare, stupid pet projects, foreign aide, or the majority of other BS they deem "worthy" of our tax dollars. How much money is blow every year on the horrid department of education?
I think we should let McDonald's run the department of Education. All in the name of Corporate Citizenship.
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Old 05-04-2011, 07:37 PM
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The Department of Public Education is the biggest oxymoron that has ever existed.

It is nothing but a tool to create generations of ignorant subjects who can't figure out what is going on, and won't resist the inevitable conclusion.
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Old 05-04-2011, 08:25 PM
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That's why I think McDonald's should take over. Then we can let Massey Energy run the EPA. Dept of Transportation, let Boeing and GM run that one. Social Security Administration, I think we farm that out to the Republican National Committee. The Tea Party would be in charge of the congressional budget office. Oh i forgot, no more fishing allowed, it's now all owned by private companies or individuals. An annual pass to Cherokee National Forest Amusement Park is now only $99 dollars.

Please people, think about all this next time you drive on a public road, get water from a public source, cash in a social security check or even something as simple as expecting the garbage to be picked up outside your home. Is it free? Of course not. End of story, most intelligent people would understand this, yet they keep hollering about evil government this and evil government that. Most people don't miss it until it's gone. I can guarantee you that most fisher persons would be sorry if it wasn't for various government taking care of things in conjunction with private donors and volunteers. Oh shoot, the mail didn't arrive today! I was expecting an important letter, Oh I just forgot we sold of the mail service to Wal-Mart and they outsourced the delivery to be rerouted via China. Labor costs you know, I'll get the mail eventually.
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Old 05-04-2011, 10:45 PM
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States should handle their business. The Federal government should mind its own constituional business and nothing more. There is no where in the constitution that gives the feds or congress the authority to tax sporting equipment and use the money to stock fish in any state or buy any land for forests. Those should be options the state via the people (electorate) considers and either approves or rejects. Taxing sporting equipment sales at the state level is up to the people giving that power to the state. Likewise, infrastructure should handled by the state or private enterprise contracted by the state.

The single most important thing left out of education today is the way the US Consitution is supposed to work and how and what the government via the three branches is supposed to accomplish and nothing more.

They are counting on the ignorance of the masses to prevail so they can boot stomp all over us on their way to total power dominaton. And they are well on their way. If, in the end, it happens, it happens because we as a people let it happen and for no other reason than just plain ignorance and laziness.

The sportsmen and sportswomen of Tennessee should unite on a common front and demand an accounting by the state governement and then work to absorb the hatchery operations from the feds, show them the door and assert their states rights, and never let them back in.

I know, I know, it can't be done! Right? Wrong! It can be done! Just like hiking the AT, it will take a while, it won't happen over night. The mess we are in didn't happen over night. It's been a long process of many, many years of neglect by the people of their duty to be watch dogs and keep the corruption and swindlers out of the picture.

If you leave for extended vacation and leave your windows open and your doors unlocked, you can almost rest assured you will come home to bare walls and floors.
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Old 05-05-2011, 03:57 AM
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That's why I think McDonald's should take over. Then we can let Massey Energy run the EPA. Dept of Transportation, let Boeing and GM run that one. Social Security Administration, I think we farm that out to the Republican National Committee. The Tea Party would be in charge of the congressional budget office. Oh i forgot, no more fishing allowed, it's now all owned by private companies or individuals. An annual pass to Cherokee National Forest Amusement Park is now only $99 dollars.

Please people, think about all this next time you drive on a public road, get water from a public source, cash in a social security check or even something as simple as expecting the garbage to be picked up outside your home. Is it free? Of course not. End of story, most intelligent people would understand this, yet they keep hollering about evil government this and evil government that. Most people don't miss it until it's gone. I can guarantee you that most fisher persons would be sorry if it wasn't for various government taking care of things in conjunction with private donors and volunteers. Oh shoot, the mail didn't arrive today! I was expecting an important letter, Oh I just forgot we sold of the mail service to Wal-Mart and they outsourced the delivery to be rerouted via China. Labor costs you know, I'll get the mail eventually.
Sorry Hans, but you and I don't see eye to eye on the whole govt involvement stuff. However, unlike you I will not consider your views uneducated because you see things differently.

The dept of education is worthless, since its inception the education levels of our kids has been on a steady decline. The business of educating our youth should be handled by the states.

Back to fisheries, local fisheries should be governed by the state in which the waterways are located. That includes stocking. What benefit does it serve the feds to stock our rivers? None, the benefits help the local economies and the states, not the feds.

It has nothing to do with tea parties, conservatism, or liberalism. It has everything to do with common sense, and not needing the govt to hold our hands for everything each individual state can handle.

Can't believe you brought up the post office, not a great example as they are running billion dollars debts every year, while the private options are hugely profitable. In other words, another fine example of a poorly managed federal govt institution.

The state of TN should manage our fisheries, if it will cost us more money to enjoy stocked rivers, then we as residents need to pony up and pay a little more for our fishing licenses. Afterall, they are fairly inexpensive. Also, charge more for the folks who use the resource as a grocery store.
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Old 06-17-2011, 09:48 AM
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Trout Unlimited has provided a convenient template for its members to use in contacting their representatives in congress. Here's what was sent yesterday to mine: Senator Lamar Alexander, Senator Bob Corker & Representative Phil Roe:
I am writing as a member of Trout Unlimited (TU), a conservation organization of over 140,000 members, to urge you to ensure that funding is provided for the mitigation hatcheries of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) in the FY 12 budget. These facilities provide a wealth of recreational fishing and youth education opportunities, and support thousands of jobs.

In its FY12 budget proposal, the FWS proposed a $11 million cut to the National Fish Hatchery System, and a $6 million cut to the National Fish Hatchery operations account for the mitigation hatchery system. There are 9 mitigation hatcheries nationwide at risk, 7 of which are in the Southeast.

The problem is that the Army Corps of Engineers (Corps), the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA), and other dam operating federal agencies are not contributing enough of their shares of the hatchery operating expenses for the FWS hatcheries that provide fish to mitigate the effects of their water development structures. The best way to solve this problem is for Congress to ensure that the Corps, TVA and other dam operating agencies to pay their fair share of the hatchery operations costs. If those agencies fail to pay all, or a portion of the costs, then TU urges Congress to supply the Fish and Wildlife Service with the remainder to keep the facilities running.

These hatcheries provide valuable recreational fisheries. The mitigation facilities help to provide over 3,000 jobs and account for $325 million in economic benefits to local communities and states. I urge you to work with the Appropriations committee to ensure that funding is made available for FY12 to keep the facilities running.

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Old 06-17-2011, 10:11 AM
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The business of educating our youth should be handled by the states.
Right now the states are in charge of educating our youth. They've done a stand up job too, right? That's why we rank below socialist powerhouses like Canada, Korea, Finland, Switzerland, China, etc in science, math and reading.

All the feds do is tie money to achievement. If a states does well, the US Dept of Ed gives them more money. If they don't do well, the feds don't give money. The US Dept of Ed does not and can not come into a state and force a state to change educational standards or testing procedures. Now, they can offer incentives i.e money for the state to adopt new practices, tougher educational standards, and more rigorous tests but the state has the right to refuse.

In regards to the fisheries, the cuts have to come from somewhere. Everyone, including myself, believes the cuts have to occur. The problem is that no one wants to sacrifice or have "their" programs suffer. US government is broke and so is the state.
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