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Old 05-12-2013, 12:24 AM
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So, is the '31 topo map still available?...
Here's one source:
memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/gmd:@field(NUMBER+@band(g3902g+np000173+np000174))
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:54 AM
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Ha I loved this James! Yeah it is amazing that the modern maps are wrong about the location of this pretty large stream but the 1930's maps are correct.
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Old 05-13-2013, 10:00 AM
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Ha I loved this James! Yeah it is amazing that the modern maps are wrong about the location of this pretty large stream but the 1930's maps are correct.
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Old 05-13-2013, 02:50 PM
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You should do it during a torrential downpour... Right Adam?
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:21 PM
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... A man has to wonder how satellite and GPS can't give us more accurate cartography.
The Park's dense landcover has precluded there being more stream detail via satellite imagery and, back in the day, aerial photography. This has hampered there being good custom GPS maps and most, if not all, commercial printed maps have been designed on the basis of the TVA/USGS quads developed beginning in the 40s. Most of the quads, with the exception of some extending outside the park boundary (like the north half of the one titled Gatlinburg for example) have remained essentially unchanged. You can purchase any of the 28 22" x 27" 7.5 minute topographic maps from, among other sources, the Park store at Sugarlands and online. More recently USGS digitally scanned the originals, warts and all... as in the case of the illusive Crockett Creek . These are available free as digital raster graphic (DRG) files within the sets: http://libremap.org/data/state/tennessee/drg/ and http://libremap.org/data/state/north_carolina/drg/. More recently the quads became available as GeoPDFs viewable with full features with TerraGo Toolbar®, a free plug-in for Adobe® Reader®. For the GeoPDFs, go to http://store.usgs.gov and click "Map Locator & Download."

I learned, primarily from the forum CartoTalk how to, as Jim Casada neatly described it, "cobble together maps" using the DRGs, MRLC Consortium Viewer and shareware. If anyone wants to dabble in this craziness, I can perhaps assist you. Feel free to drop me a line at fredturner at saintclairmapping dot com.


Snipped from the Gatlinburg quad.

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Old 05-13-2013, 11:29 PM
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If "Crockett Creek" is the stream I am thinking of the current maps have it listed, BUT have it as a tributary of another stream one hollow over to the right, instead of a tributary of the correct stream. Hopefully this will get corrected on future USGS maps.
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Old 05-14-2013, 10:22 AM
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If "Crockett Creek" is the stream I am thinking of the current maps have it listed, BUT have it as a tributary of another stream one hollow over to the right, instead of a tributary of the correct stream. Hopefully this will get corrected on future USGS maps.
You are correct Carolina Kudzu that is the stream. Its a crying shame that its in the wrong place but that does seem to keep it kind of hidden. The hill between the two drainages is pretty low by Smokies standards so the aerial mapping just couldn't define it well enough I guess.
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