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g022271
12-18-2014, 03:12 PM
Some of you guys know me or have seen me flyfishing and are aware of my condition with PD, and the only reason I mention now is for those who didn't know can make it better recommendation. I plan on buying a good used boat real soon and have done quite a bit of research, but I want some other thoughts and opinions. I need something stable so I can fish streams like the Clinch running 1, Holston, upper clinch, and others. What are your preferences in when considering a riverhawk, a gheenoe, or a Jon boat. Thanks in advance for your help. By the way. ..don't bother telling me not to get on the river. .cause it ain't gonna happen. I won't ever go out by myself.
Mike

MadisonBoats
12-18-2014, 07:18 PM
Mike,
I know of three boats like mine in Norris at a man's house if you want the address to stop and ask if any are for sale. If you get one; I will rig it up for you, paint it, etc...You know my boat and "Old Blue" has been all over the place and still performs insanely fabulous for my needs. Send me a message if you want the address.

Troutman
12-19-2014, 11:03 AM
no longer for sale

elkhaircaddis
12-19-2014, 02:23 PM
That is an awesome looking boat. Is it a 1967 or is the model number just '67?

Troutman
12-19-2014, 03:25 PM
That is an awesome looking boat. Is it a 1967 or is the model number just '67?

1967 Starcraft boat v-hull jon. I completely refurbished it a few years ago.

elkhaircaddis
12-19-2014, 03:47 PM
Wow that's awesome. I run a '57 Cherokee Jon boat that belonged to my papaw and it looks like it's from the fifties hahaha. Yours looks brand new nice work

Stonefly
12-19-2014, 04:14 PM
I have a '68 StarCraft that could stand some major touching up too.

steve

BigMax
12-19-2014, 04:43 PM
As a Gheenoe owner I can tell you that unless its a B60 riverhawk most gheenoes and riverhawks will not be stable enough if you plan on doing any standing

Good luck!

MadisonBoats
12-19-2014, 05:56 PM
I am thinking about putting my v-jon up for sale. email me if you might be interested and want some more info. specs, price, etc. It is put up, tarped, for the winter right now. motor off and winterized.
gltroutman at gmail dot com

I have always admired the job you did on this boat...quality work and the anchor davit looks similar to one of my designs. Great job and I can see you take pride in the things you do...

I would run from gheenoes or canoes unless you are a tween who can sit on their heels and Indian paddle. Otherwise; you will learn to be a a good swimmer and a have to get replacement gear often.

g022271
12-20-2014, 12:58 AM
Shawn. ...tried to text you earlier. ...but your number must've changed. .If you would, send me an email with the info regarding your neighbor to memcconk@gmail.com.
Troutman. ...Please send me the info for your boat to the email mentioned above. That is a good looking boat.
Thanks. Mike

MadisonBoats
12-20-2014, 10:45 AM
Shawn. ...tried to text you earlier. ...but your number must've changed. .If you would, send me an email with the info regarding your neighbor to memcconk@gmail.com.
Troutman. ...Please send me the info for your boat to the email mentioned above. That is a good looking boat.
Thanks. Mike

Mike,
Just sent you an email with details! Keep me updated...

BTW; check out this sweet trolling motor-saltwater quality too and 24v at 86lbs thrust...
http://www.amazon.com/Newport-Vessels-Electric-Trolling-Saltwater/dp/B00KJE9POE/ref=sr_1_4?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1418901317&sr=1-4

Rob Johnson
04-18-2015, 11:12 PM
Hey Shawn, what kind of battery do u use. I'm getting pretty tired of having to buy a new trolling motor battery every year and a half or so. I don't even run them that hard , but deep cycle batteries seem to be way too expensive or won't charge up after a few uses.

Sandman
04-19-2015, 12:50 AM
Check out towee boats. I have one and they are great.

billyspey
04-19-2015, 01:32 PM
Nothing is as stable as a wide flat bottom John .and nothing will run these river like a jet. Towee boats are not stable . I owned one for couple months . My agility suffers now that I am in my 70's . I would suggest low decks in what ever you get a drift boat has good bit of stability . NO PERFECT BOAT HAS EVER BEEN BUILT YET always trade off .

silvercreek
04-20-2015, 10:05 AM
Rob, See Byron's April 13, 2015 fishing report where he discusses his experience with Optima AGM batteries.

MadisonBoats
04-23-2015, 08:05 AM
Hey Shawn, what kind of battery do u use. I'm getting pretty tired of having to buy a new trolling motor battery every year and a half or so. I don't even run them that hard , but deep cycle batteries seem to be way too expensive or won't charge up after a few uses.
Rob,
You are fighting a losing battle if you are using a starting battery. Their cells are too thin and are not designed for the sustained pull of a trolling motor. This will result in a performance curve that steps out and drops off immensely within a short amount of time.

A deep cycle will give you a sustained performance curve through the first 3/4's of the batteries power cycle. I use a Walmart Evermaxx(sp?) deep cycle battery. It works well enough for my needs. I use it about 50-75 times a year and get it down to about 50% each use. I try to get it back on charge that night and I typically dump 15amps in it for next morning use.:smile: If you have more time; 5amp it back to normal and put a battery maintainer on it. Also, check the water level if you suspect it could have tipped over or leaked out-use only distilled water to top off.


Nothing is as stable as a wide flat bottom John .and nothing will run these river like a jet. Towee boats are not stable . I owned one for couple months . My agility suffers now that I am in my 70's . I would suggest low decks in what ever you get a drift boat has good bit of stability . NO PERFECT BOAT HAS EVER BEEN BUILT YET always trade off .

I would stay away from the rectangular shaped flat bottom john boats. They are death traps on tailwaters with any kind of flow. Semi-V to flat are very good and primarily what I recommend.

Good:

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I hope this helps!

Troutman
04-23-2015, 12:43 PM
I saw this boat the other day on my way to work and stopped today to check it out. The boat looks sound, the rivets looks good , but you would want to water check them. It will need a new transom and replace the other wood pieces. The seats are aluminum , so no need to replace them. The trailer looks good, but will probably need new wood on the bunks and carpet. I would go ahead and replace the tires and bearings.
I really liked the lines of the boat. It looks fast! maybe its the slight upward rake of the bow . The pawn shop has an asking price of $1150. a little high , but it would make a great safe project fishing boat, and with a 10hp motor and a trolling motor added, you have got a really nice boat. I dont know the brand of the or if they had a motor to go with it. The sales tag said "arkansas traveler" stk# 201500121
I will leave these picts up for about 6 months before I delete them off my photobucket.

Sevier Pawn @ Hwy 66 Sevierville
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And yes, That is a pink speedboat in the background!

MadisonBoats
04-23-2015, 06:24 PM
That is a great looking boat, but priced way too high. A fair price for that boat without a motor should be $500 and under. I would basically remove every snag attachment on it and add a front cover for a stripping area with a anchor davit. The best place to find these types of boats is back roads and a little gumption to walk up and ask if they would sell it.:smile:

77punk
04-24-2015, 08:27 AM
I don't know if this is what you're looking for, but it looks like a pretty good deal. http://tennesseeanglers.com/forums/topic/6986-the-dada-boat-for-sale/

billyspey
04-24-2015, 09:11 PM
Rob,
You are fighting a losing battle if you are using a starting battery. Their cells are too thin and are not designed for the sustained pull of a trolling motor. This will result in a performance curve that steps out and drops off immensely within a short amount of time.

A deep cycle will give you a sustained performance curve through the first 3/4's of the batteries power cycle. I use a Walmart Evermaxx(sp?) deep cycle battery. It works well enough for my needs. I use it about 50-75 times a year and get it down to about 50% each use. I try to get it back on charge that night and I typically dump 15amps in it for next morning use.:smile: If you have more time; 5amp it back to normal and put a battery maintainer on it. Also, check the water level if you suspect it could have tipped over or leaked out-use only distilled water to top off.





I would stay away from the rectangular shaped flat bottom john boats. They are death traps on tailwaters with any kind of flow. Semi-V to flat are very good and primarily what I recommend.

Good:

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSsPfm0336_bc8RozhNHzgZUMgz8gtGK sGf1Rdm-X5slsI_bKTgJA
I hope this helps!



Shawn
All you need to do is use google or go to you tube. I bet you never see a Semi V riveted with rounded Chines on a boat running the river . Never recommended ,

Troutman
04-27-2015, 11:43 AM
There is certainly no perfect boat to handle all situations. I think it comes down to where you primarily want to fish, whether its a lake or shallow river and your budget. With multiple kids in college right now, my budget is LOW! The older v-hull jons are fairly inexpensive and make it easy to get out on a local river or lake. I know the french broad river pretty well having grown up fishing it with my dad in his 14ft v-jon. I know where the shoals are and many of the slightly submerged shelfs. I do at times have to run slow and tilt the motor up and just use my trolling motor to navigate areas and I have gotten out of the boat and pulled it by hand through shoals to get into deeper water. Most people aren't buying new v-hulls to run rivers with the invention of jet drive outboards making it possible to skim through the shallows in 3-4 " of water . I still see a lot of v-jons out on the rivers, and of course on the lakes. They may not be the best option out there, but are pretty reliable if you have a good engine and have gotten me to places to fish I would not have been able to by just wading.
Someday, I hope to purchase a Rhino-jet boat or a River-pro, but then I would need a raft and a ......

Bran
05-21-2015, 06:19 PM
^^^^^ Ain't that the truth!!! You need about 12 boats, then you may have a slight chance of picking the perfect one for this trip today!!! Gary, check out James River Boats, custom jets built to suit. I always have to sell something to buy another boat, I never get ahead.
To the question on the original post, I have not fished those water, but, I do know a 14 ft V-Jon is a great all around boat for anything. I'd go all-weld if possible, a Grizzly or maybe Polar Craft, then a small Jet, like an Evinrude 18J. That would be versatile and very stable.

smctrout
11-10-2015, 05:08 PM
What is the typical draft of a semi-V boat with a couple of anglers, gear, etc.? Put another way, how much water has to be running in the Clinch before I can float it in a semi-V boat?

I would stay away from the rectangular shaped flat bottom john boats. They are death traps on tailwaters with any kind of flow. Semi-V to flat are very good and primarily what I recommend.

Good:

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Sequatchie
06-21-2016, 04:27 PM
Resurrecting a super old thread here!

@MadisonBoats, why do you say a flat bottom boat is a death trap on the Clinch? Not arguing, just curious. I've run a flat bottom river boat on the Clinch for years and love it.